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pi-inthesky@hot Posted at 2016-3-25 17:50
While you guys disagree how would you rate the video THE ROCK against the video being discussed

To me they suffer from very similar issues. While the shots are undoubtedly of some very beautiful locations, they suffer from receptiveness, both in shot design, shot blocking, and camera movement. Case in point: you can scrub through both videos and randomly land at various spots, and the shots will all look very similar.

This is why aerial-only videos are usually incredibly boring. Aerial shots are great for punching up video, but by themselves they need far more than just pretty scenery to stand out; they need a good narrative and a clearly defined subject to really get the job done. Using aerial shots only in this fashion is very, very difficult.

For an example of how cutting in aerial footage can accentuate a subject, see this previous post. It's still a bit too aerial shot heavy, but it's an improvement.
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Great video!


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lido_bmt Posted at 2016-3-24 23:00
Really? This tired argument? When you criticize a movie, is it because you've made a film already?  ...

A very good description of what it is to critique something, however you missed one of the most important aspects: balance.

In order for critisism to carry weight it must encompass the work as a whole, not single the elements out that are construed as lacking. your comments lose impact when you focus purely on the negative (and no, just adding a vaguely positive one liner at the start isn't enough) you show not the shortcomings of the piece, but your own shortcomings in your ability to interpret all its facets, thereby diminishing the intent of your comments.

You cannot argue that you're providing justified and "adult" feedback when it focuses entirely on the negative. By doing so you display a lack of understanding of how feedback is most effective which in turn leads one to question the validity of your comments as a whole.
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Anderjon Posted at 2016-4-1 17:32
A very good description of what it is to critique something, however you missed one of the most im ...

If you believe this, you've never been critiqued, and you have no idea what a critique is. For a good critique to occur, you must point out very specific things that you think are the problem, otherwise you are of no help to anyone.

Critiques can be as gentle or as brutal as the person wants them to be, but it has NO BEARING on being "rude" or "inconsiderate". Why? Because the thing being critiqued isn't a critique of the creator. The only time something a critique is wrong or rude is when the critique makes statements that cannot be defended. "THIS SUCKS!" is a rude critique.  "This is great!" is also a poor critique.

"This sucks because x is a poor implementation of y and a is a poor choice of subject matter in this situation." That's not a poor critique because it explains exactly what the person felt was good or bad and it gives the creator (or others) a chance to explain their rationale for their choices, leading to a back and forth discussion and the trading of ideas, opinions, and positions on what works and what doesn't. To you it may sound abrasive, but the point remains, and if you feel strongly about it, you should counter the point with examples of your own, not attack the way it was presented. This is the heart of a critique - to trade discussion on the work, not have metadiscussions on talking about it. Would you learn anything if all you received from people were these two variations on feedback?

When you see an awful art installation, do you focus on balance even though there is little to redeem it? At what point is that balance? What if your words become completely unfocused because you're trying to salvage a few "good" points because you think you'll hurt someone's feelings? This is an example of a very poor critique, because you can't even explain yourself, and you're placing feelings in front of a deconstruction of something that needs to be discussed with honesty. You are actually hurting the creator this way, because you're saying certain things are pretty good when they're actually not, and you're only saying that because you want to "be nice". Now the creator is going to use those specific techniques and procedures in the future because they think it was effective.


The hilarious thing about anyone complaining about my points is that they think I was being rude, when I was in fact being the exact opposite (and if you've ever been critiqued at all for your work, I wasn't even close to brutal!). The way to "be nice" in a critique is to be fully honest and fair enough that someone can respond with counterpoints – if you feel so strongly that I was mean or disrespectful, then you should be able to easily counter my points by showing me where they were incorrect. That's the way to respect the creator AND the work. It's something that most people here just simply do not understand (maybe because a lot of Phantom flyers have not been exposed to these types of discussions in a creative field). If you wanted a cheerleading squad, go find some yes men.

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lido_bmt Posted at 2016-4-1 18:14
If you believe this, you've never been critiqued, and you have no idea what a critique is. For a go ...

I think someone has too much time on their hands and an overinflated sense of themselves.
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Anderjon Posted at 2016-4-2 05:45
I think someone has too much time on their hands and an overinflated sense of themselves.

Once again, if you disagree with what I have to say about the video I more than welcome your counter points. Instead you'd rather attack me personally, even though nothing I've said is even remotely about inflating my ego.

You may want to look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
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lido_bmt Posted at 2016-4-2 00:42
Once again, if you disagree with what I have to say about the video I more than welcome your count ...

Wikipedia: LMAO. Talk about undermining your own argument. Might as well cite YouTube comments as your source my friend, they'd be more accurate.
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ARM-001 Posted at 2016-4-2 16:35
Wikipedia: LMAO. Talk about undermining your own argument. Might as well cite YouTube comments as  ...

Then you don't know how to use Wikipedia. You don't use it as a direct source, you use Wikipedia to look at the sources cited at the bottom of the page, since it makes it an easy way to gather multiple citations in one place and verify their veracity. Here's one, if you missed it, from the University of Winnipeg Department of Philosophy about the roots of an Ad Hominem fallacy: http://www.dougwalton.ca/papers%20in%20pdf/01roots.pdf

Of course if you had actually done that, you would know you're participating in the same ad hominem attack with a bit of straw man and genetic fallacy tossed in there. Try addressing my points (which still stand, even if the entire Wikipedia was fake), not the meta.
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Great video, super well done!!!!  Going on a motorcycle trip through western USA, this gives me some great ideas for my filming.
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lido_bmt Posted at 2016-4-2 17:08
Then you don't know how to use Wikipedia. You don't use it as a direct source, you use Wikipedia to ...

Move on friend, everyone's lost interest in this.
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Wow that is beautiful
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Awesome video..!!
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ARM-001 Posted at 2016-4-3 03:19
Move on friend, everyone's lost interest in this.

Then why do you and others keep replying? I haven't made any new posts in this thread except to reply to people like you who keep dragging it back up but adding zero to the discussion. The irony is off the charts.
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awesome!  
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very very nice, quite inspiring
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Excellent video, it makes you want to see more!!

Thank you

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Nice - nicer if you compiled a film with a story
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Nice - you should make a story - dropping just footage is nice but a story will make it great
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Truly professional work.

17 countries in this one video? Man he must be quite a rich guy to travel so much to shoot all these video.
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Great footage and great editing!
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Красивый.  You can almost hear Stalin's echo.  What video editor?  Thank you. for sharing.
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One day I will have the time to travel like you great job
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Some beautiful shots.
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Incredible video...Thanks
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pi-inthesky@hot Posted at 2016-3-25 05:50
While you guys disagree how would you rate the video THE ROCK against the video being discussed

id rate the Rock well above the clip in question
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Very nice indeed
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dacofty Posted at 2016-4-17 13:41
id rate the Rock well above the clip in question

For me its a one horse race it has every thing to keep the viewers attention.
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Amazing!
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I like this video
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Keep on the good working........
What a beatyfull movie.
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lido_bmt Posted at 2016-3-25 06:00
Really? This tired argument? When you criticize a movie, is it because you've made a film already?  ...

Your criticism is very constructive and I see your point, maybe less than you cause you must have a real trained eye. But I'm really curious to see your work. You are very talented in reviewing,  like to see your work applied. Please show us .
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haha. It is, at the end of the day, a string of well executed, nicely exposed shots - there's no real narrative structure. That shouldn't take away from the very high cinematic and piloting skills on display.

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oleg.covian Posted at 2016-5-4 06:36
Your criticism is very constructive and I see your point, maybe less than you cause you must have  ...

I don't have really any footage available publicly, as I don't shoot aerials for personal enjoyment unfortunately.
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mrbillgill1 Posted at 2016-5-5 05:28
haha. It is, at the end of the day, a string of well executed, nicely exposed shots - there's no rea ...

Oh I agree. Those shots are great. Maintaining interest requires a bit more though.
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I've watched the three videos posted, and have to say that they hold my interest all the way through, something that is hard to do, even when watching each for the third time.  Excellent!
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The best Air video i hv ever seen...
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The best air video i hv ever seen!!
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Those are some good shots.
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What a fantastic video, Well done
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great !
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