I'm traveling to Germany this summer and would love to take my Mavic with me.  Does anyone now the regulations/limitations for flying drones in this country?

You can find the rules here:
http://www.bgbl.de/xaver/bgbl/st ... To=bgbl117s0683.pdf

You are NOT allowed to fly :
above 100 Meters
out of sight
over a crowd of people
over highways, railroads and waterway
over privat property
over powerplants, prisons, hospitals, military areas, airports etc.
over nature reserve

Rabe Posted at 2017-4-7 02:58
You can find the rules here:
http://www.bgbl.de/xaver/bgbl/start.xav?startbk=Bundesanzeiger_BGBl&jumpTo=bgbl117s0683.pdf

Thanks for the info.

New regulations went into effect last Friday - April 7th.

Summary:

- Liability insurance in accordance with the air traffic order (Luftverkehrsordnung) is required for all drone pilots.
  (around € 80/year)

- Drones above 0.25kg must carry a well visible, fireproof label with name/address of owner. (will be enforced starting October)

- No license needed for drones under 2kg

- For drones above 2kg a certificate of knowledge (Kenntnisnachweis) is required.
  This certificate will be issued by authorities approved by German equivalent to the FAA (Luftfahrt-Bundesamt).

- For drones above 5kg a "general flying permission" is required. Those will be issued by local (state) authorities, not federal.

- Maximum weight for any drones: 25kg

- Height limit: 100m.
  The usual other limitations are: No flying out of sight or FPV, at night, near people, on private ground without permission,
  over residential/industrial areas, nature sanctuaries, hospitals, federal facilities, accident sites etc.

- Airports:
  No flying less than 1.5km from airport fence.
  Beyond 1.5km flying is allowed up to 50m whilst being in zones controlled by airports.

For certain (usually commercial) flights a certificate of exemption can be applied for if further/higher/night is needed.
That will be costly and requires processing time.

A major setback is:
No flying closer than 100m to any waterways that are used by commercial ships!
Harbors, main rivers and all canals are NoGo from now on!

The entire coast of the Northern Sea from Netherland to Denmark is out since it's national park or some other sanctuary.
Including the thousands of nature/bird/Nature-2000 sanctuaries all over the country we will not have many attractive areas left for flying.

All natural reserves can be viewed here:
Natural Reserves Germany

It has now reached a point that I'm wondering if I should give up the drone hobby.

Eric13 Posted at 2017-4-10 10:19
New regulations went into effect last Friday - April 7th.

Summary:

Thanks so much for the info.

Eric13 Posted at 2017-4-10 10:19
New regulations went into effect last Friday - April 7th.

Summary:

Those are ugly regulations in some part (but quite open in others). As for flying in these now-restricted river areas - I would probably still fly, but with caution (not to molest any ship, flying low and away from ANY people that could complain). Knowing the rules is the first step for knowing how to break 'em!

Eric13 Posted at 2017-4-10 10:19
New regulations went into effect last Friday - April 7th.

Summary:

Hi, well that is really ugly - looking like, they don't want drones flying around in Germany! I live in south Denmark, if they ban flying among the coastlines/beaches, and over private ground etc. here as well - I agree with you - we have to look for another hobby!

My father is going for the IronMan distance in Hamburg, wanted to make a video for him, seems it will be a ground video ONLY as the people are swimming over the central lake, place will be very much crowded and etc... Can anyone comment on "Drones above 0.25kg must carry a well visible, fireproof label with name/address of owner" as Phantom falls under this condition, what one should do? What does well visible means, well visible from where, from the ground when looking up in the sky or just well visible when holding drone in hands?

The fireproof label must be visible when holding in hand, it means it must not be placed inside the drone

Rabe Posted at 2017-4-7 02:58
You can find the rules here:
http://www.bgbl.de/xaver/bgbl/start.xav?startbk=Bundesanzeiger_BGBl&jumpTo=bgbl117s0683.pdf

Hi!
>> Flying above military installations, power plants, industrial zones, accident scenes and large crowds require official permissions
I plan to present DJI Spark to my daughter. She leaves in Germany in Waldshut-Tiengen near the border with Switzerland.
What is the width of the forbidden zone for the drones along the border?Thanks

Rabe Posted at 2017-4-7 02:58
You can find the rules here:
http://www.bgbl.de/xaver/bgbl/start.xav?startbk=Bundesanzeiger_BGBl&jumpTo=bgbl117s0683.pdf

Thanks for the info!

Do they have any security check or document check in airport if we are bring DJI Spark over to germany?

I don't know. Perhaps your airline has an answer for this question

Hi Guys,
I bring my Inspire pro1 from Dubai piece by piece to one of European country then I shipped to Germany by currier. But based on what is writting here, there is restricted low to fly with drones! shall I give up with my Hoppy or what ?

Is there any Drone community here ? I’m leaving in Dusseldorf. Anybody can help in this guys ?

Thanks
Amer

Eric13 Posted at 2017-4-10 10:19
New regulations went into effect last Friday - April 7th.

Summary:

Thank you for this info.
Where do i find the correct website for FAA (Luftfahrt-Bundesamt) ?
Thanks

there are apps which indicates the places you can fly on no fly

Amer Posted at 2017-10-6 02:30
Hi Guys,
I bring my Inspire pro1 from Dubai piece by piece to one of European country then I shipped to Germany by currier. But based on what is writting here, there is restricted low to fly with drones! shall I give up with my Hoppy or what ?

well you can still fly in other countries in this continent, in the future it will be all different, they don't want us to spy either, only government is a loud to spy on us

smirnovav.list Posted at 2017-7-11 05:17
My father is going for the IronMan distance in Hamburg, wanted to make a video for him, seems it will be a ground video ONLY as the people are swimming over the central lake, place will be very much crowded and etc... Can anyone comment on "Drones above 0.25kg must carry a well visible, fireproof label with name/address of owner" as Phantom falls under this condition, what one should do? What does well visible means, well visible from where, from the ground when looking up in the sky or just well visible when holding drone in hands?

Probably lost in translation but visible actually just means legible (clear enough to read)

We got a couple new regulations for 2018 in Germany, hope it helps:

Background Knowledge Drones & Law in Germany/Europe: The Drone-Driving Licence

For many years, amateur pilots regarded it as their personal right to fly their multi-copter without any rules. However, after accidents were seen and drones were flown by some pilots even in critical areas, such as no-fly zones around airports or over crowds of people, the legislator intervened: New stricter laws should now guarantee the safety of airspace in Germany and protect people from unmanned aerial objects.  

But it soon became clear that the number of accidents associated with drones and quadrocopters could not be reduced in the long term with no-fly zones and weight restrictions alone. Many of these accidents are due to ignorance or recklessness on the part of the pilots. For this reason, many UAV pilots now have to undergo further training and instruction in the rapidly evolving UAV technology.

At the end there is a questionnaire in which the pilots have to prove their technical understanding and their legal knowledge. Only those who can prove their know-how receive the official licence to fly their multicopter in Germany.


Since autumn 2017 the German drone licence has been mandatory
Even in the Federal Ministry of Transportation, the drone driving licence was a hotly debated topic for a long time. Since autumn 2017, however, the regulation has been clear and unambiguous: anyone who wants to fly a quadrocopter must be able to prove that they are familiar with the flying object. If the person concerned is unable to do so, severe fines may be imposed.


Questions about the drone license that drone pilots keep asking themselves are:

Which exact knowledge must be proven?
Who's gonna issue the drone license?
What costs and effort are involved in obtaining the corresponding proof?


The proof of knowledge for operating drones is certified and issued by official agencies which are certified by the German Federal Office of Civil Aviation. Currently there are about 25 official agencies that can be contacted with regard to proof of knowledge for driving drones. However, as other bodies, such as official flight schools, are currently undergoing the certification process for issuing evidence of knowledge, the number of instances and contact points is likely to increase significantly in the future.


What do drones pilots have to prove for the proof of knowledge?
Applicants for a drone licence or official proof of knowledge for driving drones and quadrocopters are requested to answer selected examination questions. These are examination questions from the fields of aeronautical navigation, meteorology and of course air law.

What many drone pilots or those who would like to become one in the future often do not know, for example, is the fact that aviation liability insurance or at least adequate private liability is obligatory for every drone pilot. Anyone who does not have drones liability insurance is liable to prosecution and risks entering precarious financial situations in the event of damage.


Thanks to special providers for multi-copter liability policies, which offer aviation liability insurance for drones from a price of less than EUR 70 per year and private liability insurance with drone inclusion from currently EUR 32.76 per year, the conclusion of an adequate drone insurance today is not only easy and fast, but also very inexpensive.

For all those who do not yet have a drone licence and are afraid of too much effort, the all-clear can be given: Today, it is already possible to answer the examination questions orally or online. The time required to learn the theory can be spent in a few hours. If you are a member of an air sports club, you can have the introduction to the relevant topics confirmed by the association if necessary. However, the instruction is only valid for aircraft models.



As a drone pilot do I always need a drone licence?
Drones are available in almost all formats today. The smallest of them count as toys and do not fall under the new drone regulation. Proof of knowledge for flying the toy drones is of course not necessary. The new drone regulation has clearly stipulated that only pilots of quadrocopters must have a drone licence or proof of knowledge of which flying objects with a take-off weight of 2 kilograms or more want to fly.

But anyone who is familiar with the current drone models will certainly know: Almost all top-class models of the leading drone manufacturers exceed this weight limit by far: Both the DJI Inspire 1 & 2 and Phantom 3 & 4 are significantly heavier than 2 kg in all variants.

The official proof of knowledge for driving drones can be acquired from the age of 16 years. The certificate for flying model aircraft can even be issued to 14-year-old pilots.



What other guidelines are worth knowing and observing?
In addition to the regulations regarding the required proof of knowledge, pilots must know that drones exceeding a take-off weight of 5 kilograms additionally require an official boarding permit. This is the responsibility of the federal states and the relevant aviation authorities. Regardless of the legal requirements for proof of knowledge, the current UAV ordinance stipulates that all drones weighing 250 grams or more must be subject to mandatory labelling and must be equipped with fire-proof stickers on which the owner is identified. More information about German drones badges can be found here.

This thread is one of the saddest info on drone in my life.   I am visiting Berlin now.   1) Where do I get this darn "The Drone-Driving License"   2) When do I get this darn fireproof label?  3) Let me ask a simple question.  What kind of trouble do I get if I break the basic rules? (not the really important ones like do not approach the airport, capital building, flying over people).   

Make me worry a little bit as I am going to a city outside of Frankfurt to visit my daughter and Son-in-law. I was planning on flying in open areas away from people and mainly just get the landscapes.  However, some of these rules make me wonder if I should just chance it since I will be in open areas.   I will not be flying in the normal no-fly zones and I will now stay away from waterways where boats and ships can navigate.

Liability insurance may be obtained via DMFV membership (42,-€; 3 months trial membership inc. insurance for free)
To get a grasp on what to do and what definitely not to do with your drone you may obtain the so called Kenntnisnachweis (in German)

My DJI p4p does not weight more than 2 kilos how you figure that?

fans5b615e5c Posted at 2018-9-28 12:34
My DJI p4p does not weight more than 2 kilos how you figure that?

Drones above 0.25 kg must carry a well visible, fireproof label with name/address of owner. You will find a huge variety of Drone Badges („Drohnen-Plakette für DJI Phantom 4“) on the market at low rates that are conform to the new rules. In addition, your name and address must be on it.

You are NOT allowed to fly above 100 Meters, out of sight, over a crowd of people, over highways, railroads and waterways, over privat property, over powerplants, prisons, hospitals, military areas, airports etc. or over nature reserve. And: Liability insurance ("Drohnen-Haftpflichtversicherung") in accordance with the air traffic order („Luftverkehrsordnung“) is required for all drone pilots.

Use Google Translator, if necessary: [url=https://www.drohnen.de/14181/neu ... ung-ab-januar-2017/]https://www.drohnen.de/14181/neue-drohnen-verordnung-ab-januar-2017/[/url]

Geraldian Posted at 2018-10-9 01:20
Drones above 0.25 kg must carry a well visible, fireproof label with name/address of owner. You will find a huge variety of Drone Badges („Drohnen-Plakette für DJI Phantom 4“) on the market at low rates that are conform to the new rules. In addition, your name and address must be on it.

You are NOT allowed to fly above 100 Meters, out of sight, over a crowd of people, over highways, railroads and waterways, over privat property, over powerplants, prisons, hospitals, military areas, airports etc. or over nature reserve. And: Liability insurance ("Drohnen-Haftpflichtversicherung") in accordance with the air traffic order („Luftverkehrsordnung“) is required for all drone pilots.

Thank you, but I am confused as the previous poster said that the P4P needs to get a license to fly as a pilot but then it says you only need it for P4P or anything heavier than 2kilograms.
My P4P Obsidian weight 1.37 kilograms with the props on.

fans5b615e5c Posted at 2-22 04:49
Thank you, but I am confused as the previous poster said that the P4P needs to get a license to fly as a pilot but then it says you only need it for P4P or anything heavier than 2kilograms.
My P4P Obsidian weight 1.37 kilograms with the props on.

The german license (Kenntnisnachweis) is only necessary for drones from 2 kg TOW up.

For smaller drones you just need a proper insurance and you're good to go (where we are allowed to fly...).

Cheers,
Wolferl,
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I even asked EASA by email and they responded, but not give info any rone insurance that they know able to provide non EU citizen, but asked me to check with insurer which I already did.

could anyone kindly to share info if any Singaporean or Asian citizen traveled to EU and able to registered your drone in EU, which insurance company that you use?

I am planning to bring only Mini 3 pro and keep Mavic 3 stay home.

thanks in advance

Alex