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DJI to restrict non-compliant drones at next software update
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blackcrusader
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Seems we will all require a new APP update or have restricted flying.

https://www.suasnews.com/2017/05 ... drones-next-update/
2017-5-20
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TruGreen
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so what i get is if you dont upgrade the app and other FW you will be restricted to limited distance like in beginner mode?

but if you update the app and other FW then you just need to have some kinda cell service and then log in, to then get full distance and restricted height of 400ft?
2017-5-20
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Kyokushin
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And what if i do not update and do not connect to the internet?
I am no connecting to the Inernet, my p3p is running on 1.7 and 2.4.2 app.

How far old firmwares are affected?

DJI is enforcing updates by disabling already sold product.

Better downgrade your stuf as deep as you can, because after that update  you will totally dependable of DJI and your stuff will not take off  before checking and updating NFZ's.

Another crucial change in already sold product. I think it may be a  reason for return product, especially by the law of European Union  countries and i have hope a people will return that crap and DJI get  financial impact.

From a point of view of air-law in my country - there is nothing  required by a law what DJI is bringing here - GO HOME DJI - nobody want  or need you there.

Really good of a piece of engineering work, but terrible policy.   All  GEO crap should be optional, all NFZ should be optional because a  responsibility is in a hands of UAV operator.
GEO may have good informational role, and it that would be really good ONLY when it would inform about potential danger.
After information, a decision about flying should be up to UAV operator, without communication with DJI.

Unfortunately, DJI want to be a airspace gatekeeper. Nobody like gatekeeper on free area, and airspace IS free are as roads are.
Cars are not requiring authorisations and they have no NoDriveZones implemented. Responsibility is up to the driver.

I think it update will open the box of pandora and after that, every update of NFZ or Geo will enforce you to connect, download, limit your already sold device or it will be locked.
2017-5-20
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Hawk Wingover
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Ebay here we come, there will be another p3p on ebay soon and thats the end of me and dji. Nobody likes being forced into anything out of the blue, and this is after the sale has taken place, this should be for the sale of new drones after a certain date and customers should be made aware before purchase . What would happen if you buy a car only to be told 12 months later you can only drive it 10 miles a day. There must be a law against  this sort of thing, this is just wrong.
2017-5-20
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Dezy
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I was considering buying a Phantom for an upcoming gig - I think I'll wait to see if they follow thru with this. If I'm not able to control the "tool" I'm considering purchasing, that would be a deal breaker.........
2017-5-20
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Churubusco
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Does anyone know if this will have any effect on Litchi users?
2017-5-20
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Mark The Droner
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I was just gonna say, what if you're using Litchi?  For example, I happily avoided the cinderlbock DJI dropped on all the P2V(+) range extenders and the only reason it missed mine is because I was on Litchi and was not forced into an update.  All the poor dumb folks dutifully using the DJI app got their hardware permanently bricked with no recourse other than to replace their DJI RE 500/700.  Those innocent DJI consumers whose only crime was doing exactly what DJI wanted them to do were victimized and were never compensated.  It's been over a year now.  Point is, one might suspect there could be an advantage to using a third party flight app in these situations.
2017-5-20
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Geebax
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Let's not get carried away by this. Firstly there is no firm evidence that this is true. And secondly, if you are still running on old firmware and app, then it weill not have any effect on you anyway.
2017-5-20
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SomeoneElsesDro
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Does this mean long distance flights will be restricted moving forward depending on regional regulations?
2017-5-20
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SomeoneElsesDro
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Geebax Posted at 2017-5-20 14:50
Let's not get carried away by this. Firstly there is no firm evidence that this is true. And secondly, if you are still running on old firmware and app, then it weill not have any effect on you anyway.

The link to the original dji release http://www.dji.com/mobile/newsroom/news/dji-updates-process-for-activating-software-and-firmware-updates
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SomeoneElsesDro Posted at 2017-5-20 15:21
The link to the original dji release http://www.dji.com/mobile/newsroom/news/dji-updates-process-for-activating-software-and-firmware-updates

Still won't affect me, I'm on really old firmware.
2017-5-20
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Labroides
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According to at least one DJI source SUASnews is misleading you
http://www.phantompilots.com/thr ... page-2#post-1185138
2017-5-20
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SomeoneElsesDro
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Right, but the notification itself reads:

This new step, to take effect at the end of next week, ensures you will use the correct set of geospatial information and flight functions for your aircraft, as determined by your geographical location and user profile.

That sentence quite clearly states that flight functions will be determined by your location, no?
2017-5-21
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The Roach
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All I can say is that if I find any additional restrictions, such as limiting distance or height. I'll have 3 machines on eBay faster than you can say firmware update.  What I believe this will do is help those who travel to stay within the laws of the country you are visiting - let's hope that's all this is.  I've spent over $4K with DJI but have no issue selling it all, I have several Yuneec machines that work just fine.  The only real loss would be the 20mp camera on my P4P.   

DJI needs to add some clarity to the statement.  For instance, will I still have the ability to turn off the 400ft limit?  Will I still be limited by the singal strength of the transmitter or will there be a hard distance limit?  And what if I'm flying in an area with no internet connections?  Will I be restricted?  How will that work?  Do I only need the internet connection for the initial registration or each and every flight?  Hate to be restricted just because I'm out in the country.  

In other words, what is actually changing?   The official statement is thin and poorly written at best.  Let's add some clairity to the statement DJI!


2017-5-21
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TruGreen
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The Roach Posted at 2017-5-21 05:21
All I can say is that if I find any additional restrictions, such as limiting distance or height. I'll have 3 machines on eBay faster than you can say firmware update.  What I believe this will do is help those who travel to stay within the laws of the country you are visiting - let's hope that's all this is.  I've spent over $4K with DJI but have no issue selling it all, I have several Yuneec machines that work just fine.  The only real loss would be the 20mp camera on my P4P.   

DJI needs to add some clarity to the statement.  For instance, will I still have the ability to turn off the 400ft limit?  Will I still be limited by the singal strength of the transmitter or will there be a hard distance limit?  And what if I'm flying in an area with no internet connections?  Will I be restricted?  How will that work?  Do I only need the internet connection for the initial registration or each and every flight?  Hate to be restricted just because I'm out in the country.  

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wondering the same, as well as what happens when im flying my P3 4K with my tablet? the tablet is connected to the wifi of RC/AC so does that mean i will have to fly my P3 4K with my smaller screened cell phone?
2017-5-21
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Nigel_
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SomeoneElsesDro Posted at 2017-5-21 01:54
Right, but the notification itself reads:

This new step, to take effect at the end of next week, ensures you will use the correct set of geospatial information and flight functions for your aircraft, as determined by your geographical location and user profile.

Seems to be more about simplifying the process for gaining authorisation to fly in restricted areas, the current system is giving DJI too much work to do and the new system will give the work to the pilot, they will self authorise, however they will also have to take responsibility since there is a requirement that to self authorise they must be registered and identifiable so that their details can be passed to the authorities in the event of an airliner being brought down.

"In the event of an aviation safety or law enforcement investigation that compels us to disclose information, our verification partner may provide information about the credit card or mobile phone number used to verify the DJI account that unlocked an Authorization Zone at the location, date, and time in question. This creates a path to accountability in the event of an incident without requiring burdensome up-front collection of personal information, and we feel strikes the right balance at this time."
http://www.dji.com/flysafe/geo-system

Probably something that we should support, as long as we intend to fly responsibly.
2017-5-21
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SFGiants24
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DJI stopped updating firmware for P3 series several months ago. I haven't updated since last year. I'm not sure they can force this update.
2017-5-22
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knupla2
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Thanks DJI - but no thanks.  I'll just stick with what I know works.
2017-5-22
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randaljds
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Frankly speaking if there is potential for any liability on the drone manufacturers behalf for what we do with equipment purchased from them, if they have the ability to, they would/will minimise their potential exposure to such liability! Not to do so would not make sense in the business world.

Also, DJI would just be the first (maybe) to implement restrictions. Do you not all believe that others will follow suit soon after? It will happen either voluntarily or via a forced hand at a legislative level...
2017-5-23
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SimonH78
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Was this a "fake news" story then.... ??
2017-5-25
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Mr Pete
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The Roach Posted at 2017-5-21 05:21
All I can say is that if I find any additional restrictions, such as limiting distance or height. I'll have 3 machines on eBay faster than you can say firmware update.  What I believe this will do is help those who travel to stay within the laws of the country you are visiting - let's hope that's all this is.  I've spent over $4K with DJI but have no issue selling it all, I have several Yuneec machines that work just fine.  The only real loss would be the 20mp camera on my P4P.   

DJI needs to add some clarity to the statement.  For instance, will I still have the ability to turn off the 400ft limit?  Will I still be limited by the singal strength of the transmitter or will there be a hard distance limit?  And what if I'm flying in an area with no internet connections?  Will I be restricted?  How will that work?  Do I only need the internet connection for the initial registration or each and every flight?  Hate to be restricted just because I'm out in the country.  

Up vote 'The Roach' comment as it's asking the right questions for a response from DJI.....
2017-5-25
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Geebax
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Mr Pete Posted at 2017-5-25 01:10
Up vote 'The Roach' comment as it's asking the right questions for a response from DJI.....

Except it really won't get a response. DJI have never responded to these issues, they just pull their heads in and weather the storm.
2017-5-25
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RedHotPoker
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Geebax Posted at 2017-5-20 14:50
Let's not get carried away by this. Firstly there is no firm evidence that this is true. And secondly, if you are still running on old firmware and app, then it weill not have any effect on you anyway.

I feel that waiting it out is to my benefit. And I normally update my firmware, first thing... ;-)


It's a crying shame that many here will be offended and turned off,  by this new restrictive nonsense.
Going down hill without brakes....
When push comes to shove, Good luck. Haha


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New Drone User
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Soooo I live in Australia this update would affect us also ?
2017-5-25
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Nigel_
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New Drone User Posted at 2017-5-25 02:07
Soooo I live in Australia this update would affect us also ?

Only if you want to fly in restricted areas, and then it will make things easier.
2017-5-25
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Mobilcams
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SomeoneElsesDro Posted at 2017-5-21 01:54
Right, but the notification itself reads:

This new step, to take effect at the end of next week, ensures you will use the correct set of geospatial information and flight functions for your aircraft, as determined by your geographical location and user profile.

It always has depending on if you are in or near a no fly zone.. This is just going to update and improve the data set from what information I have seen.  
2017-5-25
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Spyder3534
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Well its Thursday... wheres the update?  I've got a flight planned for tomorrow morning.
2017-5-25
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Mallettron
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Flown p4 wwith go and litchi today, no update no problems
2017-5-25
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crash1sttime
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I think the intention is to make sure you all use the latest firmware or your drone will be restricted, its to ensure that you all have the latest firmware with no fly zones etc to assist with safer flying.
2017-5-25
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