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We live in the 20 century, all tv's, mediaplayers ,phones and monitors can handle the 30 fps, so why asking for the 25 fps ??  update your own things.
Do you fly indoors? That's the only thing for having the 25 fps in europe.
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Jos A Posted at 2017-12-4 10:34
We live in the 20 century, all tv's, mediaplayers ,phones and monitors can handle the 30 fps, so why asking for the 25 fps ??  update your own things.
Do you fly indoors? That's the only thing for having the 25 fps in europe.

That's not the reason behind this request. All artificial lights flicker if you are filming in places where AC frequency is 50 Hz. This would be fixed if we could film at 25 or 50 fps.
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Jos A Posted at 2017-12-4 10:34
We live in the 20 century, all tv's, mediaplayers ,phones and monitors can handle the 30 fps, so why asking for the 25 fps ??  update your own things.
Do you fly indoors? That's the only thing for having the 25 fps in europe.

I don't know about you, but I live in 21st century :-)

And as others pointed out many, many times, in Euro we have 50 Hz AC, so that artificial light operate with this frequency. Taking night shots with 30fps results in unnatural flickering.
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Jos A Posted at 2017-12-4 10:34
We live in the 20 century, all tv's, mediaplayers ,phones and monitors can handle the 30 fps, so why asking for the 25 fps ??  update your own things.
Do you fly indoors? That's the only thing for having the 25 fps in europe.

Yes, we are filming some of our movies indoors, that is what this debate is about. Thank you for your insightful addition to the debate, it is good that we have a "real thinker" here at the Dji forum.
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A little off topic here, but regarding the flickering concerning mismatch between the power grid frequency and the frame rate: have you tried altering the shutter speed? When I take my European video camera to the states and want to film indoors with the lights on, I set the shutter speed to 30 or 60 and the light flickering completely disappears. Even if my frame rate is still 25. Professional broadcast cameras has used shutter for years to overcome this flickering issue when abroad. They even used Clear Scan feature to match crt computer screens when filming off a pc monitor with different FPS. As I said, a little off topic but I believe people with flickering issues regarding artificial light might try to alter the shutter speed of the Spark if possible.
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TheFlyingDutchm Posted at 2017-12-5 00:12
A little off topic here, but regarding the flickering concerning mismatch between the power grid frequency and the frame rate: have you tried altering the shutter speed? When I take my European video camera to the states and want to film indoors with the lights on, I set the shutter speed to 30 or 60 and the light flickering completely disappears. Even if my frame rate is still 25. Professional broadcast cameras has used shutter for years to overcome this flickering issue when abroad. They even used Clear Scan feature to match crt computer screens when filming off a pc monitor with different FPS. As I said, a little off topic but I believe people with flickering issues regarding artificial light might try to alter the shutter speed of the Spark if possible.

You write in the forum for the Spark and you do not know if Spark has shutter speed control.
You are a troll.
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I spoke in general
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I never had any isuess on flickering in the night, played on my computer and tv, all nice.I have a spark and mavic, combined the movies in ntsc 30 fps, no flickering
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Jos A Posted at 2017-12-5 23:29
I never had any isuess on flickering in the night, played on my computer and tv, all nice.I have a spark and mavic, combined the movies in ntsc 30 fps, no flickering

That's strange - i faced that Problem today. Problem is, i am not filming only with the Spark, also with normal Camcorders, Actions Cams etc - all of them just doing correct 25 FPS PAL which i use for postprocessing for a BlueRay Creation. To be honest, Blueray Standard didn't include 1080@29,97p.

So this is also for me a big problem - just using that Spark Movies in such Projects is not possible. If i recalculate it to 50P or down to 24p (better would be 48p what my CamCorder and my Actions Can) this will be create very bad movies.

So i can also only vote for 25p,24p,48p,50p ... didn't matter for me what of them. As the Spark is able to make 29,97p it should be not the Problem bring a 25p or 24p Mode by Software Update.

Otherwise i must say, this Product isn't for the European Market.

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Jos A Posted at 2017-12-5 23:29
I never had any isuess on flickering in the night, played on my computer and tv, all nice.I have a spark and mavic, combined the movies in ntsc 30 fps, no flickering

Flickering does happen in 'PAL' area (sorry for the old term), but only with some light sources.



And if your 'other' camera's are stuck in 'PAL' mode, you are out of luck with Spark (that is my case, my Panasonic is limited via the flash memory to 25 / 50fps, can't change that).
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djiuser_tdZ8rLt Posted at 2017-12-26 11:01
That's strange - i faced that Problem today. Problem is, i am not filming only with the Spark, also with normal Camcorders, Actions Cams etc - all of them just doing correct 25 FPS PAL which i use for postprocessing for a BlueRay Creation. To be honest, Blueray Standard didn't include 1080@29,97p.

So this is also for me a big problem - just using that Spark Movies in such Projects is not possible. If i recalculate it to 50P or down to 24p (better would be 48p what my CamCorder and my Actions Can) this will be create very bad movies.

I totally agree with you.
Flickering does happen from time to time and one of my other camera's is stuck in PAL mode....
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Montfrooij Posted at 2017-12-26 23:54
I totally agree with you.
Flickering does happen from time to time and one of my other camera's is stuck in PAL mode....

Oh sorry, didn't saw that stupid user naming: djiuser_tdZ8rLt - so changed it to Mario_B ;-)

Sure have tried yesterday some conversions but nothing is usefull if you have to combine that Spark Videos with other European PAL Videos. Impossible to get and fluent movie from that.

I can't believe that such a world leading company is ignoring the Video standards.
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Mario_b Posted at 2017-12-27 00:53
Oh sorry, didn't saw that stupid user naming: djiuser_tdZ8rLt - so changed it to Mario_B ;-)

Sure have tried yesterday some conversions but nothing is usefull if you have to combine that Spark Videos with other European PAL Videos. Impossible to get and fluent movie from that.

I know....
It feels a bit like monopolims....
But you can always go for a MP and get a a lot more nice features
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Montfrooij Posted at 2017-12-27 00:58
I know....
It feels a bit like monopolims....
But you can always go for a MP and get a a lot more nice features

What you mean with MP ? Maveric ? - no that's to much stuff and Costs - as i just have the Spark in a small pocket on my Motorbike tours.

Checked today if i can switch my German CAMs to NTSC with 29,97 FPS, no they didn't support that only 30/60 FPS which is also not a standard and didn't fit to the DJI 29.96 fps.

So i have to transform all 29,97 Videos from the Spark to 25p or 50p and have to live with the microframedrops which everybody can see.
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Mario_b Posted at 2017-12-27 04:08
What you mean with MP ? Maveric ? - no that's to much stuff and Costs - as i just have the Spark in a small pocket on my Motorbike tours.

Checked today if i can switch my German CAMs to NTSC with 29,97 FPS, no they didn't support that only 30/60 FPS which is also not a standard and didn't fit to the DJI 29.96 fps.

He meant the Mavic Pro - I guess.

But anyway:
Hi DJI, would you like to comment this? :-)
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Mario_b Posted at 2017-12-27 04:08
What you mean with MP ? Maveric ? - no that's to much stuff and Costs - as i just have the Spark in a small pocket on my Motorbike tours.

Checked today if i can switch my German CAMs to NTSC with 29,97 FPS, no they didn't support that only 30/60 FPS which is also not a standard and didn't fit to the DJI 29.96 fps.

Sorry, yes, MP = Mavic Pro.
The only real option is to slow your footage down by 1/6th.
That makes for fluid motion.
BUT you still get flickering lights with certain types of light.
And you get slower footage (unwanted in some situations when there are people moving that look unnatural)
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xfirf_ Posted at 2017-12-27 04:42
He meant the Mavic Pro - I guess.

But anyway:

They have commented on this a couple of times.
So far no plans on adding this feature.
Which is a real shame I would say.

They really make wonderful products, but this is just like a monopolist saying: we don't do that because we don't need to.
I know only half of the potential buyers needs it, but still.....
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xfirf_ Posted at 2017-12-27 04:42
He meant the Mavic Pro - I guess.

But anyway:

From Dji only a deafening silence.
This is what they consider to be the customers care
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Montfrooij Posted at 2017-12-27 05:03
They have commented on this a couple of times.
So far no plans on adding this feature.
Which is a real shame I would say.

Hm.
I must have overseen their replies.

Yes. I really like my spark and the price-usability-factor. But there are some really small improvements missing that would make it perfect (for me at least)
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xfirf_ Posted at 2017-12-27 05:25
Hm.
I must have overseen their replies.

Light flickering was not my problem ... normaly i fly and film by Daylight . The biggest Problem ist getting all the other Cams i handle on such tours with the same non European Standard FPS as the Spark has. All of my Cams do clean 24/25 and 50p ... the spark is the only one who has a "special" format not fitting in any European Norm. and conversion from 29,97 to 25 is horribel ...
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DJI Elektra Posted at 2017-10-12 22:32
Please notice our engineers have no plan on adding this feature now. Thanks.

Hey Elektra,

maybe you should ask your engineers to rethink this as so many customers still complain about this here and there are surely more having issues but not complaining here.
Thank you.
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xfirf_ Posted at 2017-12-27 05:25
Hm.
I must have overseen their replies.

It was in other similar threads they replied.
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Mario_b Posted at 2017-12-27 05:36
Light flickering was not my problem ... normaly i fly and film by Daylight . The biggest Problem ist getting all the other Cams i handle on such tours with the same non European Standard FPS as the Spark has. All of my Cams do clean 24/25 and 50p ... the spark is the only one who has a "special" format not fitting in any European Norm. and conversion from 29,97 to 25 is horribel ...

I had this flickering only a couple of times, just when I filmed a location when somebody had their lights (indoor) on already.

The matching framerates is my biggest issue.
Slowing down is really the only option.
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Montfrooij Posted at 2017-12-27 06:40
I had this flickering only a couple of times, just when I filmed a location when somebody had their lights (indoor) on already.

The matching framerates is my biggest issue.

For the slowdown, I have played yesterday a little bit, and yes seems downsample is the best option, so filming all in 50P and downsample then all to the 29,97p. If you upsample the 29,97 to 50p it is horror, if you downsample it to 25p it is also horror. It seems downsample from 50p European to 29,97p is the only working process - well it is not perfect but better than all the other options.

Figured also yesterday out, that the new Olympus Tought from my Wife also can do only 29,97p - whow same mistake for the European Market from such big Manufacture.
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Mario_b Posted at 2017-12-27 23:27
For the slowdown, I have played yesterday a little bit, and yes seems downsample is the best option, so filming all in 50P and downsample then all to the 29,97p. If you upsample the 29,97 to 50p it is horror, if you downsample it to 25p it is also horror. It seems downsample from 50p European to 29,97p is the only working process - well it is not perfect but better than all the other options.

Figured also yesterday out, that the new Olympus Tought from my Wife also can do only 29,97p - whow same mistake for the European Market from such big Manufacture.

Yes, that sort of works, as the dropped frames are smaller (in duration).
Apple camera app also only films 30/60 etc. but you can install 3rd party apps that work 25/50 etc.
It's a USA world after all....
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Mario_b Posted at 2017-12-27 23:27
For the slowdown, I have played yesterday a little bit, and yes seems downsample is the best option, so filming all in 50P and downsample then all to the 29,97p. If you upsample the 29,97 to 50p it is horror, if you downsample it to 25p it is also horror. It seems downsample from 50p European to 29,97p is the only working process - well it is not perfect but better than all the other options.

Figured also yesterday out, that the new Olympus Tought from my Wife also can do only 29,97p - whow same mistake for the European Market from such big Manufacture.

Not sure what tough you have.
The TG-5 is stated to have 25fps
http://asia.olympus-imaging.com/product/compact/tg5/spec.html
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Montfrooij Posted at 2017-12-29 03:06
Not sure what tough you have.
The TG-5 is stated to have 25fps
http://asia.olympus-imaging.com/product/compact/tg5/spec.html

We have a TG-4 ... didn't find any option to set the FPS to 25.
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Mario_b Posted at 2017-12-29 04:06
We have a TG-4 ... didn't find any option to set the FPS to 25.

http://asia.olympus-imaging.com/product/compact/tg4/spec.html
They don't state the fps for the tg4
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Montfrooij Posted at 2017-12-29 04:25
http://asia.olympus-imaging.com/product/compact/tg4/spec.html
They don't state the fps for the tg4

Exactly ... so buy one and you will see, oh they missed the 25p Option. It is always 29,97 ... the stupid thing is, we upgraded from an TG-2 and well TG-2 didn't have 1080 but 720 AND with 50p (European Standard). So it suprises me that in newer modell the European Mode is gone ... Good that this Camera is to 99% only used for Photo, videos cames out of my Sony Cameras which all supports correctly Film Modes.

But anyway, that's an different story and we are here in the DJI Forum - it was only a point for me saying, yes other big manufactures are also ignoring the European Market.
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Another +1 for 25 and/or 50fps
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Mario_b Posted at 2017-12-29 05:04
Exactly ... so buy one and you will see, oh they missed the 25p Option. It is always 29,97 ... the stupid thing is, we upgraded from an TG-2 and well TG-2 didn't have 1080 but 720 AND with 50p (European Standard). So it suprises me that in newer modell the European Mode is gone ... Good that this Camera is to 99% only used for Photo, videos cames out of my Sony Cameras which all supports correctly Film Modes.

But anyway, that's an different story and we are here in the DJI Forum - it was only a point for me saying, yes other big manufactures are also ignoring the European Market.

Yes, very strange.
The TG-5 does support it....
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Although it might be useless - here's another +1 for 25fps
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Another plus one here in New Zealand. Had the cash ready to buy a spark when I encountered this thread. Urg! Any recommended options that shoot 25p? I have a go pro and looking at karma but I really don't want to go that way.
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+1
25 fps is a must have!
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Beardad Posted at 2018-6-27 12:58
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25 fps is a must have!

I agree 100%
But it won't happen with Spark.
At least, not that I believe.
Many many have asked here and so far they only released a new drone that has 25fps
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Aigal Studio Posted at 2017-6-2 02:03
If you are removing frames, you are creating stuttering, that's simple. If you care about image quality you'll never do that. Every classic camera you are buying is recording in 25 or 50 in PAL and 30 or 60 NTSC, there is exceptions of course but most of the stuff are working like that, every drone DJI has sold was working like that. So it's stupid if right now they are changing that.

I don't believe this to be correct.  I shoot all my video with my Spark or other cameras at 30fps or 60fps and then drop it down to 24fps in editing and there's never any stuttering or loss of image quality in my videos.  If you want 25fps just drop it into Movie Maker or some other software and output it at your desired frame-rate.
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Here's a sample of mine, all shot at 30fps or higher and then output from Movie Maker at 24fps, no stuttering and image quality is fine.

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Hello all! Hi solved the problem with DaVinci Resolve. The workflow is this:
1-Set project to 25 fps
2-Import single spark footage in the media pool
3-Right click on the footage and select "Clip Attributes"
4-Set 25 in Video Frame Rate and click ok
5-create a new timeline with only this clip
6-Go in the deliver tab and set all the settings. Is important to set 25  in the frame rate tab and "Single clip" in the file tab(because if you set individual clips for do many clips in one time, can cause problems).
7- Add to render queue and render out!
8-Now you have your spark clip at 25 fps with no stuttering
PS- If you have  to use the clip with the audio, there is a sincro problem, because the audio was recordered at 29,97 fps and you can't bring him to 25 fps without problems.

Hope this post can help you guys! Sorry for my bad english! See ya ;)
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Hello all! Hi solved the problem with DaVinci Resolve. The workflow is this:
1-Set project to 25 fps
2-Import single spark footage in the media pool
3-Right click on the footage and select "Clip Attributes"
4-Set 25 in Video Frame Rate and click ok
5-create a new timeline with only this clip
6-Go in the deliver tab and set all the settings. Is important to set 25  in the frame rate tab and "Single clip" in the file tab(because if you set individual clips for do many clips in one time, can cause problems).
7- Add to render queue and render out!
8-Now you have your spark clip at 25 fps with no stuttering
PS- If you have  to use the clip with the audio, there is a sincro problem, because the audio was recordered at 29,97 fps and you can't bring him to 25 fps without problems.

Hope this post can help you guys! Sorry for my bad english! See ya ;)
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