DJI-Ken Posted at 2016-11-23 16:02
It's been requested, don't know if they will add it or not.
And for commercial operations, I would think you would want a more professional aircraft like a M600, Inspire, or at the least a P4 all which have manual ATTI.

I've bought mine for use at weddings, it's all I need, but from a CAA point of view that makes me a commercial operator.

dgungadoo Posted at 2016-12-14 21:25
I'm eager to see a Manual-ATTI option on the DJI Mavic (to pass the British CAA PfCO licence, as the current school where I've passed my Theory insists on Manual-ATTI). Is there a feature-request site for DJI, where we can submit this request ? The more requests coming in, perhaps the more inclined DJI would be to add it to the to-do list.

The size of the Mavic "Pro" makes it uniquelly useful in some cases, for Professional use.

If you open the GO app and go to the Me tab, then select more.
There you can submit your feedback.

DJI-Ken Posted at 2016-10-26 13:18
It's not a feature ion the Mavic and users have requested it and the request has been put in.
I have no idea if it will ever be added or not.And yes, I work for DJI.

Then I guess we can forget about FPV indoors such as a large warehouse...because if it does pick up GPS inside it could cause drift or other issues...that sucks

It is possible (as DJI Ken has pointed out) to submit feedback in the Go app. Everyone who wants this feature should do so, it's the only way DJI will hear us!

fansbd42d07b Posted at 2017-1-10 10:18
It is possible (as DJI Ken has pointed out) to submit feedback in the Go app. Everyone who wants this feature should do so, it's the only way DJI will hear us!

I just 'fedback'. For me being able to enter ATTI mode manually is a must have feature. Either via a button in the App or being able to assign it to one of the controller buttons, maybe even when you click on the 5d button!!!!

For newbies maybe even having ATTI mode on the simulator so they can practise before they experience it for the first time mid-flight!

hedfan Posted at 2017-1-11 05:57
I just 'fedback'. For me being able to enter ATTI mode manually is a must have feature. Either via a button in the App or being able to assign it to one of the controller buttons, maybe even when you click on the 5d button!!!!

For newbies maybe even having ATTI mode on the simulator so they can practise before they experience it for the first time mid-flight!

ATTI mode in the simulator is a fantastic idea!

DJI-Ken Posted at 2016-11-17 07:44
No, currently there is no manual ATTI.

The lack of a manually selectable ATTI creates several issues:

1. Any rogue GPS reading could cause a fly away situation. The standard emergency action for this is to select ATTI mode but without this, the pilot will be powerless to intervene.

2. In the UK, ATTI mode is essential for commercial operations. Whilst the Mavic is not suitable for most commercial application it would be sad not to be able to include it in our opps manual for certain remote shoots.

3. Without a manually selectable ATTI mode new users will be unable to safely practice their ATTI flying skills. This will mean the first time they fly ATTI could be in a real emergency, which is not a good time to start practcing!

fans77eff331 Posted at 2017-1-31 00:31
The lack of a manually selectable ATTI creates several issues:

1. Any rogue GPS reading could cause a fly away situation. The standard emergency action for this is to select ATTI mode but without this, the pilot will be powerless to intervene.

1. The GPS will  not get any rogue readings and fly away.
2. I wouldn't think a Mavic would be used for commercial operations.
3. This I agree on, being able to practice in ATTI with no GPS assistance is a good training aid.

yoengel Posted at 2016-11-23 07:48
I flew the Mavic last night and it kept getting compass error mid-flight and kept switching back and forth between GPS and ATTI mode.  Is this related to the kp index?  It was above 3 and my friend actually saw the Aurora Borealis in Canada.

Interesting.  The Kp index indicates the level of geomagnetic disturbance,  which will primarily effect radio communications which pass through or bounce off the ionosphere.  However, since geo-stationary satellites are below the ionosphere, they shouldn't be effected directly by that.  However, the storms could definitely interfere locally with compass readings and create a lot of local radio noise interference.

I was planning on using the Mavic for commercial operations . Im a pressphotographer and was going to us the drone for news reporting. But  on my first testflying i an open fild in the countryside the drone went berserk and comitted suicide. Compass error. Heard that one  before.  No way I am going to use it anywhere near people or in urban aereas. Its to unreliable.

DJI-Ken Posted at 2016-11-23 08:02
It's been requested, don't know if they will add it or not.
And for commercial operations, I would think you would want a more professional aircraft like a M600, Inspire, or at the least a P4 all which have manual ATTI.

So what does the Pro stand for?
Besides that, not all clients know the difference or can spot the difference between video shot on these aircraft. My clients are happy with an in house drone service so they are not the ones who are going to complain.
I am in Spain and have the same predicament; the training body wants me to fly in ATTI mode to get my commercial licence.

info274 Posted at 2017-2-13 05:32
So what does the Pro stand for?
Besides that, not all clients know the difference or can spot the difference between video shot on these aircraft. My clients are happy with an in house drone service so they are not the ones who are going to complain.
I am in Spain and have the same predicament; the training body wants me to fly in ATTI mode to get my commercial licence.

If it's a requirement for your commercial license the you would have to use another aircraft that has a manual ATTI mode.

I wonder how many times Poor Ken has responded to the ATTI feature request.

DT393 Posted at 2017-2-13 11:27
I wonder how many times Poor Ken has responded to the ATTI feature request.

Many, many, many times.  On that same note, this forum is not the easiest to navigate.  I imagine people would use the search feature more if it was easier.

DT393 Posted at 2017-2-13 11:27
I wonder how many times Poor Ken has responded to the ATTI feature request.

Yes, many many times.

method007 Posted at 2017-2-13 11:52
Many, many, many times.  On that same note, this forum is not the easiest to navigate.  I imagine people would use the search feature more if it was easier.

I've already requested the search feature be more precise

DJI-Ken Posted at 2017-2-13 11:52
I've already requested the search feature be more precise

Ken, as a moderator on these forums, I'd be surprised if you haven't asked DJI to just replace their whole forum system altogether! There must be dozens of well made, read-to-go forum platforms out there with all the features and functionality one could ask for. And yet it seems like DJI has chosen to build and maintain their own platform, which works half as well as most other forums out there (if that), both for users as well as moderators. I'm sure your job could be made a lot easier with a decent forum system.

Jason Lane Posted at 2017-2-14 00:28
Ken, as a moderator on these forums, I'd be surprised if you haven't asked DJI to just replace their whole forum system altogether! There must be dozens of well made, read-to-go forum platforms out there with all the features and functionality one could ask for. And yet it seems like DJI has chosen to build and maintain their own platform, which works half as well as most other forums out there (if that), both for users as well as moderators. I'm sure your job could be made a lot easier with a decent forum system.

Yes, understood.
Also, with your RTH altitude changing. If you can upload the flight log and provide me the Dropbox link I'll send it to R&D.

It amazes me that this feature hasn't been implemented already.  It's one of the universal features that existing users are crying out for.

The forum certainly isn't the easiest to navigate, but as mentioned there are so many threads on this topic that Ken and others have had to reply to that any analyst or developer spending more than an hour on this forum would pick it up as a must-have feature to implement.

Does nobody from the design or development side of the DJI house spend any time on the DJI's own forum?

All of these threads - and future threads - could go away if only manual ATTI was implemented (with the option to default the operation to a controller button).

I'm envisioning historians of the future digging up old hard drives from around the world that all contain 2016 & 2017 references to the need for manual ATTI on the DJI Mavic.  They'll probably assume it was something that was critical to the survival of the planet; which arguably it is  

DJI-Ken Posted at 2016-10-26 08:31
Yes, the Mavic has ATTI mode but currently cannot be operated manually. If GPS signal is lost then it will go into ATTI.
For your training course, maybe that part of the training can be indoors in a multi floor building so no GPS signal will be received.

I imagine that one reason ATTI is desired is so that people learning to fly know how to compensate for uncontrollable factors like wind. In that case doing it in a building (to block GPS) may not be sufficient, but for the OP to confirm.
I wasn't too fussed about the absence of being able to select ATTI...until my GPS suddenly dropped out and I realised I was very out of practice with using it (as it's not an optional mode).  

BuzzCut Posted at 2017-2-14 09:43
It amazes me that this feature hasn't been implemented already.  It's one of the universal features that existing users are crying out for.

The forum certainly isn't the easiest to navigate, but as mentioned there are so many threads on this topic that Ken and others have had to reply to that any analyst or developer spending more than an hour on this forum would pick it up as a must-have feature to implement.

It's been requested long ago since we've been flying the Mavic months and months ago and R&D know there are lots of requests for it.
So I don't think it's coming anytime soon.

GMG Posted at 2017-2-14 10:35
I imagine that one reason ATTI is desired is so that people learning to fly know how to compensate for uncontrollable factors like wind. In that case doing it in a building (to block GPS) may not be sufficient, but for the OP to confirm.
I wasn't too fussed about the absence of being able to select ATTI...until my GPS suddenly dropped out and I realised I was very out of practice with using it (as it's not an optional mode).

Yes, it would be nice but don't think it will happen.

DJI-Ken Posted at 2017-2-14 11:09
It's been requested long ago since we've been flying the Mavic months and months ago and R&D know there are lots of requests for it.
So I don't think it's coming anytime soon.

Out of curiosity, have you ever heard why it was left out in the first place?

DroneFlying Posted at 2017-2-14 11:18
Out of curiosity, have you ever heard why it was left out in the first place?

Sorry I have not.

cwalk818@yahoo. Posted at 2016-10-26 15:42
Hi Ken... Sorry to bother you but I was flying my Mavic earlier for the first time and the Mavic kept switching from GPS mode to Atti mode. It would have 13 satellites then would suddenly drop to 3 or 4 with the slightest distance or altitude change then it would jump back up to 13. Is there some kind of setting I could have wrong or do you think this is something I should be concerned about?

My Mavic was doing the same thing . I Just posted a write up on  that topic, is under> compass and IMU Error

Few days ago I flew my Mavic in a relative "closed" area as I was surrounded by cliff (about 100m high) but not totally.
I wanted to film a waterfall.
As the sky was not open enough, GPS number navigated from 3 to 6 so I nnever reached the GPS mode.

Here is a situation where ability to switch from ATTI mode to GPS mode would have been great for me.
I had to film a waterfall, accessing it from the bottom part, I was surrounded by cliffs so the sky was not open enough to give enough GPS satellites to the mavic for P-GPS (between 3 and 6, btw what is the minimum needed?)
So I start flying the mavic in P-OPTI and realized that altitude was limited to 30m which was not enough to film this waterfall.
So I disable forward sensor and start to fly ATTI but with all these trees around and cliffs I stopped my flight to prevent a crash (not used enough to fly ATTI with the mavic in such hazardous area...
What could have been perfect in this situation : start in ATTI and then switch to GPS as I would have enough satellite in higher altitude (as mavic would have been above cliffs).
So you think mavic will be able to do that one day?
Of course, I could do it with my phantom, but bring it to this waterfall is not an option!

Fulgerite Posted at 2016-10-26 13:26
At least I hope so.  ;-)

I hope they add it as well!

DJI-Ken Posted at 2017-2-14 11:46
Sorry I have not.

I think its due to the fact that the Mavic is very unstable in ATTI mode and unpredictable and drifts badly.
Anyone on this forum that has had the Mavic drop into ATTI mode mid flight will tell you.
Its like balancing a plate on a stick.

The Rev Posted at 2017-2-26 05:02
I think its due to the fact that the Mavic is very unstable in ATTI mode and unpredictable and drifts badly.
Anyone on this forum that has had the Mavic drop into ATTI mode mid flight will tell you.
Its like balancing a plate on a stick.

And yet it's more stable in GPS mode than most other DJI drones ?

The Rev Posted at 2017-2-26 05:02
I think its due to the fact that the Mavic is very unstable in ATTI mode and unpredictable and drifts badly.
Anyone on this forum that has had the Mavic drop into ATTI mode mid flight will tell you.
Its like balancing a plate on a stick.

The Mavic flies just fine in true ATTI mode (no GPS or VPS): I know because I've done it, and there's no unpredictable drifting but only drifting with the wind. The spontaneous switching from P-mode to ATTI that people like yourself have experienced is probably something different and possibly also involves problems with the compass or other systems besides just GPS and VPS.

The Rev Posted at 2017-2-26 05:02
I think its due to the fact that the Mavic is very unstable in ATTI mode and unpredictable and drifts badly.
Anyone on this forum that has had the Mavic drop into ATTI mode mid flight will tell you.
Its like balancing a plate on a stick.

Hi Rev when going into Atti you need to remember that when you are pushing on the sticks you are also continually fighting the drift caused by the wind and involuntary movement of the AC, so you are constantly trying to get the AC back on course .

So yes AC is not as responsive in Atti as it is in P mode, so it needs much more input from the pilot..

It's a bit like a tug of war, and they are not easy to win and can get away from you very quickly...

DroneFlying Posted at 2017-2-26 05:20
The Mavic flies just fine in true ATTI mode (no GPS or VPS): I know because I've done it, and there's no unpredictable drifting but only drifting with the wind. The spontaneous switching from P-mode to ATTI that people like yourself have experienced is probably something different and possibly also involves problems with the compass or other systems besides just GPS and VPS.

I think your correct as I have flown a Phantom in ATTI mode and it was nothing like what I experienced with the Mavic

DRONE-flies-YOU Posted at 2016-10-26 12:10
Turn off VPS.  Tape an empty bag of crisps to the top to block GPS.  And maybe SPORT mode on???  Perhaps THEN you'll have ATTI on-demand for your class.  THE REALITY IS it's that or borrow a Phantom.  The Mavic seems to have multiple trigger points and multiple ATTI modes as indicated in flight logs (GPS ATTI and ATTI) - none of which you have control over.

LOL, I was going to suggest this but you beat me to it ! This does work . Just tape a small pc of aluminum foil to the top where the GPS ant is and fly in sport mode . atti will show on the controller. I don't suggest it , but it was a experiment

With as many first timers crashing the Mavic in their "EASY modes" I'm sure DJI is reluctant to put a selectable ATTi mode setting on it . I hope they do even if it's a " Press this button you void the warranty" button

rydfree41 Posted at 2017-2-26 10:47
LOL, I was going to suggest this but you beat me to it ! This does work . Just tape a small pc of aluminum foil to the top where the GPS ant is and fly in sport mode . atti will show on the controller. I don't suggest it , but it was a experiment

With as many first timers crashing the Mavic in their "EASY modes" I'm sure DJI is reluctant to put a selectable ATTi mode setting on it . I hope they do even if it's a " Press this button you void the warranty" button

The foil alone produces OPTI mode; to get (true) ATTI, you have to also disable VPS, but at least that part can be easily accomplished through the app. You may very well be right about DJI's reason for not providing a user-selectable ATTI, though: they'd probably wind up with more Care Refresh claims if they made it easy. Because while I wouldn't call the Mavic difficult to control in ATTI mode, it's certainly not as easy to maneuver as it is in P-mode.

rydfree41 Posted at 2017-2-26 10:47
LOL, I was going to suggest this but you beat me to it ! This does work . Just tape a small pc of aluminum foil to the top where the GPS ant is and fly in sport mode . atti will show on the controller. I don't suggest it , but it was a experiment

With as many first timers crashing the Mavic in their "EASY modes" I'm sure DJI is reluctant to put a selectable ATTi mode setting on it . I hope they do even if it's a " Press this button you void the warranty" button

I tried this with some foil folded over to make 4-6 layers, but it wasn't enough to force ATTI mode when I tested it at my local park. The foil would have easily worked to block the GPS signals indoors, or in a slightly confined area, but I wanted to try this experiment in a large space, hence trying it in the park.

I do plan to experiment some more, though.

Jason Lane Posted at 2017-2-26 11:10
I tried this with some foil folded over to make 4-6 layers, but it wasn't enough to force ATTI mode when I tested it at my local park. The foil would have easily worked to block the GPS signals indoors, or in a slightly confined area, but I wanted to try this experiment in a large space, hence trying it in the park.

I do plan to experiment some more, though.

I did it with a single layer of "heavy-duty" aluminum foil on my first attempt. Did you also cover the sides and rear on the aft portion of the aircraft? In other words, I covered basically everything behind the battery and it completely blocked GPS reception. And yes, this was outdoors.

DroneFlying Posted at 2017-2-26 11:13
I did it with a single layer of "heavy-duty" aluminum foil on my first attempt. Did you also cover the sides and rear on the aft portion of the aircraft? In other words, I covered basically everything behind the battery and it completely blocked GPS reception. And yes, this was outdoors.

Here's a screen grab from the video while I was taping the foil to my Mavic. When I first powered it up, it was showing a very low sat count, like 3-5 sats. But when I let it sit for a while (I wanted to be sure) the count eventually creeped up and it went into GPS mode. I didn't even bother to start the motors.

Jason Lane Posted at 2017-2-26 11:27
Here's a screen grab from the video while I was taping the foil to my Mavic. When I first powered it up, it was showing a very low sat count, like 3-5 sats. But when I let it sit for a while (I wanted to be sure) the count eventually creeped up and it went into GPS mode. I didn't even bother to start the motors.

The picture's a little blurry, but the only difference I can see is that I went further down the rear with it, maybe even covering up the status indicator (though I don't recall if I actually covered it or not). And like you, I let it sit for a couple of minutes to see if it eventually picked up GPS but it never did.

DroneFlying Posted at 2017-2-26 11:32
The picture's a little blurry, but the only difference I can see is that I went further down the rear with it, maybe even covering up the status indicator (though I don't recall if I actually covered it or not). And like you, I let it sit for a couple of minutes to see if it eventually picked up GPS but it never did.

I definitely didn't cover up the rear light, but I might try that next time. There's also a couple of air vents on either side of the rear light, though. I assume you didn't cover those up.

Maybe I just happened to choose a location with ridiculously good GPS signal!! haha