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What a drama for.. nothing...
So if i understand well, some blame DJI for the datas / stuffs they access, but well when you launch the DJI GO app, doesn't it the first time and at each update ask to access pictures, localisation, microphone , exactly like all the social networks ??? Choice is yours... simply.
Come on, rather than ask politely exactly the terms of this new feature, some start to make self considerations about something they just do not know enough about yet...
World is evolving, technology also, and drone technology has evolved very, very fast, maybe to fast, allowing as many responsible flyers just willing to either work or spend nice time flying, as total idiots with no respect in regard to the law, their neighbourgs or whatever, to fly with or without previous true flying ewperience ( no self level, noself heading, no self positionning, noself coming home....).
The most harsh posts i could read come from people who seem experienced enough to build a simple machine with a cleanflight controler ( GPS available optionaly..) or PIxhawk and setup a gimbal, from what i read. So get spares and build your unrestricted drone and that's it...
Reason answers are so harshsometimes is because people feel trapped maybe, they want the DJI technology but they don't want to have to share their location or personal datas or whatsoever...
Here is the thing written differently for those who asked me not to put the possible bad usage things on the table : You have USA, China, Canada, France, Germany and some other countries having their own rules of the air, which are different in each country. It is not possible to let people fly anywhere anyhow for many reasons : privacy respect, safety, pictures right sometimes....
Actually, Europe ( EASA) would like to apply a common rule, but some of the European countries, such as France, decided to setup their own rules, which, in our case ( french froggies) , allowed people to work with their drones, unlike some other places in Europe ( France has been the very first coutnry to have a Drone regulation), which came up with regulations later on ( and som still have nothing). But at least, Drones have not be banned...
The biggest problem has been and is the following : just a few years ago, in order to fly something RC, including multicopters, you had to be in a RC club, with a dedicated flight zone. A few did fly in the woods or FPv but it remained kind of rare, and concerned the people able to build , setup and fly their own machines as " Rc Enthusiasts".
Then Drones with plenty of automations came up, and everybody could fly, from nano to maxi drones. First step has been to separate Hobbyists from " pro" pilots ( yes, i know, some who self claimed and still claim themselve "pro" pilots are fake but well that's life...). But Drone phenomena has rised too fast and there is an urgent need to try to make things easier for everybody :for authorities, for commercial flights pilots and passengers, for restricted areas.... Like all technologies, things arrive very fast, and law has to follow up, and then things adapt. It takes time, it's not always perfect, but it's how it works since the world spins...
a clear example ( still a froggies example) is the " Coyotte" in France: it''s a small device telling you the radars, police controls and everything you would need to drive fast with less chances to be caught. But it coud also tell about accident, traffic jams, road works... Government deciced to vorbid these, and finaly discussions happened, and people cried to desperation, human rights and all this and finaly a compromise has been found ; the device would signals " danger zones with a speed limitation of XXX km/h", "moving dangers zones", and this is total joke because these are clearly the radars...
And we all know that at least 50% of the users will use this to speed up on the road.. Exaclty like many drivers break before the radars and accelerate right after.. And they will all say they are " respectful to the law", because they don't buy a radar warning device, but a " danger zone waring device".. lol ! ( and yes i have one and i find it kind of useless because TMC, trafic infos on GPS, gives the accidents and obstacles warings as well, but i'm happy to know there is a radar sometimes when i am not at exact 130 km:h on the highway, nobody likes to loos a licence point for 2km/h in a descent... i assume it).
SO yes you ca buy a car driving fast and only the usage is driven by law and you keep your free choice to follow or not the law. Accidents can happen of course without breaking the law at all, some because of stupidity, being unlucky or driving crazy.... It's the same with Drones, except drones are able to fly high and far... it's harder to throw your car over your swimming pool in the neighbourg garden.. ) And for the one who wrote me not to b.. s.. about bad usage, well as far as i remember, in USA in 2001, bad things happened... Since, world is not the same and all potential menace need to be taken care of, and here is what i wanted to say :
The freedom of some starts where yours stops. Same for the rights. The balance is hard to find and will never please all at same time..
Rather than yelling at DJI ( i build and sell drones so we are all in the same boat here..) , without having all the facts and reasons, maybe you should ask yourself the following : Considering EASA ( Europe) and maybe USA soon ( iof not yet) think in having beacons in Drones to allow the to be correctly inserted and monitored ( tracked if you prefer..) in the public air space, where is the bad if DJI is pro active and starts trying to get an identification and limitation for unauthorised usages of drones, based on the country laws in which you are actualy flying your drone or a national emergency ? Do you prefer to have to buy and install a beacon and buy your drone with obligated registration and activation in a government organisation ?
All these are mostly supposition, but it's, in my opinion, a first step to a 2.0 drones management because the simple truth is, not everybody follows the rule, and some real risks exists. What if you are a maufacturer and receive notice from government saying that your drones were used to bring cellphones to inmates, deliver some special " amazon" parcels in mexico, and like lastly drop deadly home made explosive grenade on people ( Phantoms modified with gimbals removed ) ? DJI also has to protect themselve and make sure their products will not be banned in the future by enhancing their "fleet" management/monitoring.
If like me you use your machines in respect of the law, you won't really care having your datas monitored or kept because siomply you don't care, you don't do something bad.. I wonder how some people actually blaming DJI will react the day their neighbourg they flew over a few times or the train /boat passengers will bring a class action to them for endangering thier lives or not respecting their privacy... ??? Will you also Blame DJI because you could not know your neighbourg garden was a private and no fly zone place and that it's DJI fault because they did not prevent you to fly over it ????
Soooo... Just a lot of drama for just a small evolution to things that are already in place and working since a while, the only difference is that this time, as people tweak the GEO with USB dongles, aluminum stuffs, and others, in a too easy way, they will try to not be fooled at every time because maybe DJI also has to respond to some governements regarding some usages of their products.... There is a huge difference between taking 20 miles over the speed limit and crushing the car in a crowd... And with remote things, this becomes even more dangerous because the guy is not inside the aircraft and will need less " insanity" than if he was inside to move to the next step.. Wait for autonomous cars to become as popular as drones and you will see the exact same thing ( software, limitations, firmwares and users registrations enhancements) coming up. Poeple will claim about 4th amendment, their rights and blablabla and the day the same care will crush their families they will claim for the opposite, why there was not more tests, safety features..... Hard to make everybody happy , simply ))))))
Have nice and safe flights, and lets wait to have more infos and see what it is all about. But it will be easier to " round the edges" with DJI by having a clear and structured claim list rather than to shout to death without even having all the exact infos...
Wew i was inspired tonight, but well i work with many customers who use DJI products every single day and gusss what : they don't give the smallest "s" about waht is coming up because it's just evolution and they know they will continue to work with DJI products...
Have nice and safe flights,
Fabien
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