Hello community,
I have created this poll specially for european pilots, but if you aren't from Europe you are invited to let your thoughts too.

Seeing the problems that we currently have on Europe with EASA rules that have given us an excellent Avata 2 limited to 19m/s, even in Acro mode, I would like to know your oppinion about if you would have prefered to get an Avata 2 marked as C2/C3 without speed limitation and have in the future a new DJI FPV sub250g model marked as C0 or if for you the speed limitation to 19 m/s is not a problem and you prefer to have the Avata 2 labeled as C1, just as we have at the moment.

Regards

If i want to fly fast and free i have my DJI FPV with Gemfan Hurricane Props. ;).

In Europe, i think the bigger problem is not speed limitation but lack off power. It think it s dangerous because you always flight full throttle and dont have power to rescue the drone if a problem happened. Never buy this bull... until an fonctionnal hack arrived

Snoze Posted at 4-14 01:38
In Europe, i think the bigger problem is not speed limitation but lack off power. It think it s dangerous because you always flight full throttle and dont have power to rescue the drone if a problem happened. Never buy this bull... until an fonctionnal hack arrived

Yeah, I agree with you, both things depend on each other

The AVATA 2 doesn't even need to be classified as C3, because there is no speed limitation in C2 either.

C2 would mean it could be operated under A2 instead of A3, assuming you have a remote pilot certificate, which then allows you to come within 30 meters of uninvolved people in manual mode. Also, in A2, there's no requirement to keep a 150 meter distance from various infrastructures, like there is in A3. And pilots without remote pilot certificate can operate C2 drones in A3, like any C3 drone.
Anyway, C3 is no option for me because of the minimum 150m distance to any urban infrastructure. So I voted for C1, even if I really don't like the crippled overall power of the AVATA 2. Maybe DJI will consider offering a C2 reclassification for the AVATA 2, like they've done with other drones.

skyscope Posted at 4-15 03:35
The AVATA 2 doesn't even need to be classified as C3, because there is no speed limitation in C2 either.

C2 would mean it could be operated under A2 instead of A3, assuming you have a remote pilot certificate, which then allows you to come within 30 meters of uninvolved people in manual mode. Also, in A2, there's no requirement to keep a 150 meter distance from various infrastructures, like there is in A3. And pilots without remote pilot certificate can operate C2 drones in A3, like any C3 drone.

If I am not wrong, C2 drones have to be equipped a system that limits the speed to 3m/s and at the moment, I am not sure if that could be resolved as a more restrictive scenario (impossible to fly a FPV limited to 3m/s)

Fozando Posted at 4-15 03:51
If I am not wrong, C2 drones have to be equipped a system that limits the speed to 3m/s and at the moment, I am not sure if that could be resolved as a more restrictive scenario (impossible to fly a FPV limited to 3m/s)

That's correct, C2 drones must have a selectable "low speed mode". But it wouldn't be a problem to limit N-Mode to 3 m/s to make it the "low speed mode".
And if one wants to fly not manual but faster than that, one can use S-Mode and dial in the speed for S-Mode in the menu as liking. All that for C2 classification only. Who's looking for more speed or more power overall is flying Manual most of the time anyway.

skyscope Posted at 4-15 04:07
That's correct, C2 drones must have a "low speed mode". But it wouldn't be a problem to limit N-Mode to 3 m/s to make it the "low speed mode".
And if one wants to fly not manual but faster than that, one can use S-Mode and dial in the speed for S-Mode in the menu as liking.

That could be also done with the C1 label, limiting only the N-mode to 19m/s and leaving without restriction the Sport and Acro modes, but as you can see the limitation is stablished for all modes at the moment and for that I was asking for the possibility of having the C3 label.

Fozando Posted at 4-15 04:12
That could be also done with the C1 label, limiting only the N-mode to 19m/s and leaving without restriction the Sport and Acro modes, but as you can see the limitation is stablished for all modes at the moment and for that I was asking for the possibility of having the C3 label.

No, that's no option.
C1 = maximum 19 m/s regardless of the mode you're in
C2 = No general speed limit, but must have the option to select a low speed mode with max. 3 m/s.

skyscope Posted at 4-15 04:17
No, that's no option.
C1 = maximum 19 m/s regardless of the mode you're in
C2 = No general speed limit, but must have the option to select a low speed mode with max. 3 m/s.

Yeah, you are right. I was forgetting that the 19 m/s on C1 applies over all the modes, so yes, the C2 labeling would be a great solution.

DJI Avata 2 has Beginner Mode. What speed is that limited to? Maybe under 3m/s? C2 classification would remove the 19m/s limit and allow flight in the A2 and A3 sub catagory

Ben_McE Posted at 4-15 05:31
DJI Avata 2 has Beginner Mode. What speed is that limited to? Maybe under 3m/s? C2 classification would remove the 19m/s limit and allow flight in the A2 and A3 sub catagory

I don't know wich is the speed limit on the Beginner mode, but if is 3m/s or it stays below that speed, the C2 could be the perfect solution not having to limit the N-mode

I tried to modify the poll to include the C2 possibility, but I think that the ones who voted for the C3 option now can't change their option

Let me investigate if I could do something to reset the votes or giving you the possibility to change it

I'm happy the way it is, with the limitation.

djiuser_Ary6ieMC2ulX Posted at 4-15 10:54
I'm happy the way it is, with the limitation.

If the current speed is enough for you, your decision is right

"future C1sub250g FPV model"
why C1 and not C0?

do not understand why so many vote for C3.
C2 would be great and the 3m/s could be also done via extra setting for beginner, like in avata 2. No need to assign it on N-mode.

=DUH= Posted at 4-16 07:32
"future C1sub250g FPV model"
why C1 and not C0?

My mistake, I wanted to say C0, but now I cannot modify the poll

=DUH= Posted at 4-16 07:47
do not understand why so many vote for C3.
C2 would be great and the 3m/s could be also done via extra setting for beginner, like in avata 2. No need to assign it on N-mode.

If the beginner mode can be considered as a real mode, It is the perfect solution

=DUH= Posted at 4-16 07:47
do not understand why so many vote for C3.
C2 would be great and the 3m/s could be also done via extra setting for beginner, like in avata 2. No need to assign it on N-mode.

Because this poll option was associated with not having a speed limit at all.

I don't care about classifications at all, it can be C999 for all I care, just don't artificially limit the hardware. Or make it limited by default, but give users the official ability to unlock it. My car doesn't come speed limited to maximum speed of the fastest road in my country, it's my responsibility to follow the law as I see fit. It's called freedom. DJI shouldn't pretend to be the police. This situation right now is flat out dystopian.

Shadetail Posted at 4-17 01:53
Because this poll option was associated with not having a speed limit at all.

I don't care about classifications at all, it can be C999 for all I care, just don't artificially limit the hardware. Or make it limited by default, but give users the official ability to unlock it. My car doesn't come speed limited to maximum speed of the fastest road in my country, it's my responsibility to follow the law as I see fit. It's called freedom. DJI shouldn't pretend to be the police. This situation right now is flat out dystopian.

DJI is not responsible for this.  This is required by European regulations.

Shadetail Posted at 4-17 01:53
Because this poll option was associated with not having a speed limit at all.

I don't care about classifications at all, it can be C999 for all I care, just don't artificially limit the hardware. Or make it limited by default, but give users the official ability to unlock it. My car doesn't come speed limited to maximum speed of the fastest road in my country, it's my responsibility to follow the law as I see fit. It's called freedom. DJI shouldn't pretend to be the police. This situation right now is flat out dystopian.

Just as LV_Forestry says, the speed limitation doesn't come from DJI, it comes from EASA' rules in which you can see that a drone certified as C1 has to acomplish with the speed limit of 19m/s.

The solution for the problem is that DJI opens the hand to lose the C1 marking in order to get the C2 or C3 in which EASA doesn't stablish this speed limit.

LV_Forestry Posted at 4-17 03:01
DJI is not responsible for this.  This is required by European regulations.

They are entirely responsible for their decision to limit the speed and categorize the drone as C1. They might as well have chosen to not limit the speed and categorize it as something else.

Shadetail Posted at 4-17 20:42
They are entirely responsible for their decision to limit the speed and categorize the drone as C1. They might as well have chosen to not limit the speed and categorize it as something else.

C1 has a restricted speed.
C2 is not accessible to everyone because the exam conditions are an obstacle.
C3 does not authorize use in urban areas.
...

DJI had to make a choice that could disappoint as few people as possible. While respecting the law.

LV_Forestry Posted at 4-17 21:05
C1 has a restricted speed.
C2 is not accessible to everyone because the exam conditions are an obstacle.
C3 does not authorize use in urban areas.

DJI could give us the chance to select which kind of marking we prefer, if C1, C2 or C3 just like It did with the Mini 4 Pro having the chance to choose between C0 or C1 with the Plus batteries

Fozando Posted at 4-17 21:29
DJI could give us the chance to select which kind of marking we prefer, if C1, C2 or C3 just like It did with the Mini 4 Pro having the chance to choose between C0 or C1 with the Plus batteries

They were able to do this because the battery plus is a physical modification and there are two distinct model numbers.  

I'm not sure that it's "à la carte" and that we can choose the category that suits us for each drone.  Otherwise the 945 no longer makes sense.

But yes, it is certain that it is the option that will please everyone.

LV_Forestry Posted at 4-18 00:34
They were able to do this because the battery plus is a physical modification and there are two distinct model numbers.  

I'm not sure that it's "à la carte" and that we can choose the category that suits us for each drone.  Otherwise the 945 no longer makes sense.

Yeah, but for an Avata 2, get the C2 or the C3 is less complicated than the C1. So, I think that It could be posible the relabeling process

Fozando Posted at 4-18 02:57
Yeah, but for an Avata 2, get the C2 or the C3 is less complicated than the C1. So, I think that It could be posible the relabeling process

From a label point of view I agree it's not complicated. Costly maybe.
From a logistics and production point of view it's something else.  

Besides, isn't there an FPV 2 coming soon?
Wouldn't DJI's strategy be to have Avata C1 and FPV C3?  The price of the Avata 2 tells me that they want you to buy something else in the near future.

LV_Forestry Posted at 4-18 03:28
From a label point of view I agree it's not complicated. Costly maybe.
From a logistics and production point of view it's something else.  

That's a good point, but I wish that the next FPV model be a sub 250g

Fozando Posted at 4-18 05:07
That's a good point, but I wish that the next FPV model be a sub 250g

I don't see that ever happening to be honest. Mini series is as close as it can get to 250g without being over, and the performance is just not good enough for most FPV flights.

For sub250g FPV drones, we're waiting for O4 Air Unit (or at least Goggles 3 support for O3AU).

fichek Posted at 4-18 05:36
I don't see that ever happening to be honest. Mini series is as close as it can get to 250g without being over, and the performance is just not good enough for most FPV flights.

For sub250g FPV drones, we're waiting for O4 Air Unit (or at least Goggles 3 support for O3AU).

If brands like Iflight, BetaFPV, GepRC, FLywoo were able to create exceptional sub250g models, I am sure that DJI can also do it.

Fozando Posted at 4-18 06:56
If brands like Iflight, BetaFPV, GepRC, FLywoo were able to create exceptional sub250g models, I am sure that DJI can also do it.

I'm not sure I would call any of those exceptional (FlyWoo comes closest to something I would consider buying instead of building myself), but even if I did - they simply don't fit into the DJI ecosystem and trying to make them fit in would easily push them over 250g. And even if they made them under 250g, it would be a very niche product since such light cinewhoops are pretty much exclusively used indoors. That's exactly why Air Units exist

I would love to be wrong on this, but it just doesn't add up.

fichek Posted at 4-18 18:37
I'm not sure I would call any of those exceptional (FlyWoo comes closest to something I would consider buying instead of building myself), but even if I did - they simply don't fit into the DJI ecosystem and trying to make them fit in would easily push them over 250g. And even if they made them under 250g, it would be a very niche product since such light cinewhoops are pretty much exclusively used indoors. That's exactly why Air Units exist

I would love to be wrong on this, but it just doesn't add up.

I think that it was FlyWoo the one who is selling a sub 250g long range model, but I need to confirm it

skyscope Posted at 4-15 04:17
No, that's no option.
C1 = maximum 19 m/s regardless of the mode you're in
C2 = No general speed limit, but must have the option to select a low speed mode with max. 3 m/s.

Who would want o fly a drone at 3 m/s?

Dirty Bird Posted at 4-19 12:20
Who would want o fly a drone at 3 m/s?

Me for example.
I do it on sets all the time with my Mavic 3 Pro, with prop guards close to people for example. Substitutes a crane, a jib, and often a dolly.

skyscope Posted at 4-19 13:26
Me for example.
I do it on sets all the time with my Mavic 3 Pro, with prop guards close to people for example. Substitutes a crane, a jib, and often a dolly.

OK that makes sense for a video shoot or some special type situation.  I think most folks want the thrill of flying low & fast, or doing insane loops, spins, & flips.  I'm more of the low & fast type.

Fozando Posted at 4-19 12:06
I think that it was FlyWoo the one who is selling a sub 250g long range model, but I need to confirm it

Yeah, Explorer LR 4, and it's not exactly super agile OR durable, as you would expect from an FPV drone. It's more comparable to DJI's Mini series.

fichek Posted at 4-19 21:33
Yeah, Explorer LR 4, and it's not exactly super agile OR durable, as you would expect from an FPV drone. It's more comparable to DJI's Mini series.

I was supposing that doing a comparison with common long range drones like the Chimaera

Fozando Posted at 4-20 08:01
I was supposing that doind a comparison with common long range drones like the Chimaera

Chimera7 is much more capable and not really affected much by wind. Explorer LR4 is like a kite being thrown in the wind

fichek Posted at 4-20 08:06
Chimera7 is much more capable and not really affected much by wind. Explorer LR4 is like a kite being thrown in the wind

Yes, it has much more power in his motors and of course, its weight makes him much more comfortable for long range flights