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CAMERA WITH 1-INCH 20MP SENSOR The onboard camera has been redesigned to use a 1-inch 20-megapixel CMOS sensor. A custom engineered lens made up of eight elements is arranged in seven groups.

Stop right there! Sold! This is exactly the upgrade I was hoping for in. Great to see. And extra range as a bonus.

Great stuff DJI. I'm a still photographer and I'm really pumped youve made this upgrade as inmage quality is important to me, as well as portability. The mavic has portability but not this level of image quality, and the inspire with X5 has the quality but not the portability or price. This sits right where I wanted at a reasonable price.


I wish I had this before the weekend as I'm going away with my P3 Pro.

DJI, any chance of getting my hand on one in Sydney in the next 72 hours? I will be capturing some great remote location sights.



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F2.8 - F11 mechanical aperture, and ISO to 12,800.  :-)
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I can't wait to get my hands on one.  I've always felt I've had to make do with the P3P and then the P4 image sensors, in terms of stills capability.  This looks like just the ticket for me!  Anyone want to buy an Inspire


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Im in Melbourne and would be happy with one in the next 72 hours too haha ;)
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Here we go again. We will pay a 42% premium to the US price.  That really bugs me.
Tax is only 10%. Since we can't have it ASAP anyway, might as well buy through the US site and use forwards shipping.
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The sensor appears to be the same size and spec as in my Panasonic DMC-CM1 phone/camera and if it is I can tell you it's night video performance (at 1080p) is wonderful. I have taken basic gig footage of a friends band under stage lights and I was very happy with the results. 4K should be good, but my device is only just up to 15fps, the sensor is damned fine though.
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Does anyone know if my phantom 4 filters will fit the new camera?
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Sam.72 Posted at 2016-11-16 15:35
Does anyone know if my phantom 4 filters will fit the new camera?

From what I've read, no, the pro has a bigger lens.
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Sam.72 Posted at 2016-11-17 07:35
Does anyone know if my phantom 4 filters will fit the new camera?

You may not need an ND filter with a controllable aperture.
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Pre-ordered. Hope it makes it before Xmas. I just sucked up the bad price to get it quick. I really need to set up a post forwarding option.
I've gone with the version that uses your phone with the remote. In Australia the P4Pro-Plus is another $500!
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Qantas have sale fares to Hawaii for AUD$800.
Flying to Hawaii to get the US pricing and buying 2 P4P's would pay for the airfare. Worth considering.
Pick up 3 and your in profit.
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fansbaf4bc4b Posted at 2016-11-18 09:38
Qantas have sale fares to Hawaii for AUD$800.
Flying to Hawaii to get the US pricing and buying 2 P ...

And where are you going to get warranty service from? BTW, bring those in at an airport and you will get done for GST.
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Geebax Posted at 2016-11-18 11:17
And where are you going to get warranty service from? BTW, bring those in at an airport and you wi ...

I included GST. Drone A$2000. GST$200. Saving $400 each. Airfare $800.
Not sure how warranty works.

Can anyone from DJI please let us know if warranty is international? If I buy in Hawaii am I covered in Australia?

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fansbaf4bc4b Posted at 2016-11-18 12:51
I included GST. Drone A$2000. GST$200. Saving $400 each. Airfare $800.
Not sure how warranty work ...

I think your maths is a bit out.

Price of P4P direct from DJI = AUD$2599
Price in USD = US$1499, converted to AUD = AUD$2026, plus 10% GST = AUD$2228

Two P4P direct from DJI = AUD$5198
Buying from Hawaii = AUD$4456, plus AUD$800 airfare = AUD$5256

It costs you $58 more to go to Hawaii to get them, not to mention overnight hotel costs, airport taxes
and incidentals.
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I'd say an airfare to Hawaii for $58 is a good outcome. It's a lovely place year round. Take a week or so, come back with a P4P or two at US prices. Whats not to like?
If it's just looking to save cost, buy from DJI, use freight forwarding, pay your GST and don't have a holiday.  Warranty issues not currently understood. Hopefully DJI will clarify.
It's obvious Aust prices are inflated beyond what's justifiable by a 10% GST. The fact a trip to Hawaii breaks even close to even on just 2 P4P's including after paying AU tax seems to be make the pricing gap look pretty silly.

Academic for me now as I've already ordered. I want one ASAP. If I wasn't in a hurry, I'd hit Hawaii next Aussie winter. Love the big island. I go there every few years anyway.

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will filters from phantom 4 fit pro camera???
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i have several like polarized one etc
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It's a different size so they won't fit. Some people have mentioned that because it has a mechanical shutter it may not be as big of a need to use filters, at least ND ones.
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Actually it is the camera aperture which should eliminate the need to ND filters in most (but not all) circumstances.  You can close down the aperture to limit the light hitting the sensor (what an ND filer does).  The idea is usually to reduce the shutter speed so that you can get a more filmic look (with motion blur) etc.  The general goal is a shutter speed twice what the frame rate is.
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MaxDroner Posted at 2016-11-18 11:59
Actually it is the camera aperture which should eliminate the need to ND filters in most (but not al ...

unless looking for shallow depth of field, which is now possible with 1 inch sensor.
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fansbaf4bc4b Posted at 2016-11-18 14:10
I'd say an airfare to Hawaii for $58 is a good outcome. It's a lovely place year round. Take a week  ...

'Are you a dealer Geebax?'

No.
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srachamallu Posted at 2016-11-19 04:51
unless looking for shallow depth of field, which is now possible with 1 inch sensor.

It will be interesting to see if the variable aperture reveals any lens aberrations at various f stops. I am still looking for a decent explanation of how the mechanical shutter alluded to in the promos will work. Obviously only on still shots, but is it a full mechanical shutter or a hybrid, where it starts electronically and finishes with the mechanical shutter. And what is the lifetime of the shutter?
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Geebax Posted at 2016-11-18 02:41
I think your maths is a bit out.

Price of P4P direct from DJI = AUD$2599

It's the same for Europe 10%  more expensive, this has changed from recent products, when P4 was released difference was 21%, don't think it's getting cheaper in Australia or Europe, but rather more expensive in US..
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hallmark007 Posted at 2016-11-19 11:56
It's the same for Europe 10%  more expensive, this has changed from recent products, when P4 was r ...

I guess if you have most of the market, then you can afford to plunder your biggest market, and having delivered a killer blow to the Karma with the Mavic, along with the Karma recall, DJI are in a pretty good position.
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srachamallu Posted at 2016-11-18 18:51
unless looking for shallow depth of field, which is now possible with 1 inch sensor.

and exactly that leaves me with another question. say you re filming a slow flight through the forest with trees close and other far from the camera. recoding with f2.8 should, as you said give you somewhat of a shallow depth of field, but how does the focus work? the specs say it has a autofocus 1m - inf., so what will actually be in focus? the foreground, the background or will the camera change focus all the time?

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A polarising filter also would be useful. I find looking down with the sun above a polarising filter helps reduce some of the blown out hot spots and makes water scenes clearer.  Correct that the use of a ND filter is negated with an f STOP range that goes up to 11.  Possibly weaker ND numbers like 4 might have some use for videographers chasing 1/60th in snow or sand.
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luke007 Posted at 2016-11-19 09:15
and exactly that leaves me with another question. say you re filming a slow flight through the for ...

I've done a quick calc and I reckon if you focus at 2.5m at f2.8 you'll get everything sharp from 1.25m to infinity
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fans896e6e51 Posted at 2016-11-23 10:25
Yes if you shoot 60fps at 1/120 f/8 say then that should be good enough for sunny days without fil ...

If you take the sunny 16 rule you may still need a nd for sunny mid day. 1/100 f16 iso 100 = 1/200 f11 = 1/400 f8. So a 1 or 2 stop nd filter my still be needed if you want a 180 shutter angle
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I was doing some investigation today and I figure the P4 Pro sensor has to be the same as fitted to the Sony RX100 Mark V, and that is a pretty impressive camera. The reason it has to be that sensor is because DJI have said it is a Sony Exmoor R sensor at 1", and the only version of the RX100 that can shoot 4K at 100 Mbs is the latest one. So it should have a superior low light performance to the previous sensors used, due to the back-illuminated stacked sensor. If you look up any review of the RX100 V then you should see some good reviews. What is not known (by me at least) is the image processing chip used by DJI, as the Sony RX100 V does not appear to offer the option of H.265 encoding or 4K frames rastes up to 60 fps (in H.264) that DJI is offering. In terms of stills, the burst shooting performance is truly amazing, and coupled with the mechanical shutter, it should deliver stunning stills.

It will need a higher level of SD card though, the old 'class 10' specification is just not going to cut it any longer, you will have to pay attention to the sustained writing speed of the card you buy, as anything less that 15 Megabytes per second won't be enough. And I suspect a minimum of 32 GB will be the new norm for capacity due to the larger files created by 100 mbs video recording and the larger sized stills.

This then begs the question of whether the new lens on the P4 Pro is up to the standard of the new sensor. But even so, with this new camera, DJI have streaked light years ahead of the competition. I was not really tempted by the Mavic, as it offered nothing to me in terms of an improvement over my P3P, but the P4 Pro now has me thinking of how I can fund this new machine...
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Geebax Posted at 2016-11-24 10:14
I was doing some investigation today and I figure the P4 Pro sensor has to be the same as fitted to  ...

I just ordered the Lexar Professional 1800x microSDXC 64GB UHS-II because its write speed can easily handle the 100mbs rate of the P4 Pro. What I can't find anywhere is whether the P4 Pro takes advantage of the UHS-II specification, as the DJI specs only mention UHS-I. I guess I'll find out soon enough.
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Abe Posted at 2016-11-24 18:21
I just ordered the Lexar Professional 1800x microSDXC 64GB UHS-II because its write speed can easi ...

UHS-II requires different hardware, as it has an additional row of contacts on the card. So my Guess is that it does not handle it, otherwise I would think DJI would mention having that capability.
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Abe Posted at 2016-11-24 18:21
I just ordered the Lexar Professional 1800x microSDXC 64GB UHS-II because its write speed can easi ...

And so can many other cards that are much cheaper.
The P4P has a max video bitrate of 100 Mbps (12.5 MB/s).
Paying for bigger, "better" & faster cards is a waste of $$ but on the forums bigger and more expensive cards have an irresistible attraction for many.
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Labroides Posted at 2016-11-24 17:27
And so can many other cards that are much cheaper.
The P4P has a max video bitrate of 100 Mbps (12. ...

Good to know - I was understanding the spec to mean 100 megabytes (not megabits) per second. Well, at least I'll be able to transfer the file to my computer faster.
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Geebax Posted at 2016-11-24 17:18
UHS-II requires different hardware, as it has an additional row of contacts on the card. So my Gue ...

Hmmm... I see. Hopefully the card still works in UHS-I devices. And I suppose this will make me ready for the Phantom 5 or 6, which at the rate DJI is producing next generations, might be before Christmas!
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Abe Posted at 2016-11-25 06:16
Hmmm... I see. Hopefully the card still works in UHS-I devices. And I suppose this will make me re ...

I suspect if the cameras develop further, DJI will opt to use the small SSD drives similar to the ones they fit to the Inspire 2, rather than muck about with micro SD cards.
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RichardHurst Posted at 2016-11-25 23:05
I hope not as that will give them full control over what price they sell them at and we will have  ...

It is no different in the film and television industry, the high speed cards and drives are expensive once they get out of the consumer realm. Try adding a SSD to a Mac Pro, or a RED camera.
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DrawsWithLight. Posted at 2016-11-23 13:32
I've done a quick calc and I reckon if you focus at 2.5m at f2.8 you'll get everything sharp from  ...

then why would it have tap to focus? i assume its very rare to film closer than 2.5 meters?

i tried to calculate too, but im missing some date for the dof app...
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luke007 Posted at 2016-11-30 22:13
then why would it have tap to focus? i assume its very rare to film closer than 2.5 meters?

i tri ...

When I did the dof calc I'm sure I used the correct focal length specified on DJI's tech spec list for the P4Pro?! Maybe I'm losing it, I've just checked the focal length and it's stated at 8.8mm, much more than I recall using to do the original calc!

On this site http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html I've used a Sony RX100 as the camera (as the P4 pro uses the same sensor) and set the focal length at 8.8mm, I now see that if you focus at 2.5m at f2.8 the near limit of 'acceptable sharpness' is at 1.26m and the far limit of 'acceptable sharpness' is at 116.1m, not infinity.

Focussing at 3m, the near limit is at 1.38m and dof is infinite.

It does seem that tap to focus isnt really necessary, but I'm sure it will make a difference if you want a particular subject razor sharp, rather than just acceptably in focus!?

I accept that there could be some tech reasons that the RX100 dof calcs  may differ to the P4Pro, but I cant see it would make that much  difference, unless someone wants to correct me.
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