DJI Paladin Posted at 4-14 19:16
Hi there. We appreciate you explaining how it would help you out. While that feature isn’t currently in our development roadmap, we will forward this to our relevant team to look at its possibilities that include improvements and will be helpful for the majority of our customers. However, we wish to inform you that there is no guarantee this will be featured. Thank you for your understanding and support.

fichek Posted at 4-24 15:33
What possible use case is there for 24fps? You're not gonna be using Avata 2 footage in cinema, are you?

If you need 25fps for EU television just use 50 (or even 100) and cut unneeded frames. Done.

Marcin Golik Posted at 4-24 23:18
@fichek:
Don't be ignorant. Every DJI drone as I remember, and I'm DJI owner since Phantom 3, has 24/25 fps.
Apart from latency, I see no reason why not add in Avata 24/25 fps option as described earlier.

Marcin Golik Posted at 4-24 23:18
@fichek:
Don't be ignorant. Every DJI drone as I remember, and I'm DJI owner since Phantom 3, has 24/25 fps.
Apart from latency, I see no reason why not add in Avata 24/25 fps option as described earlier.

fichek Posted at 4-24 15:33
What possible use case is there for 24fps? You're not gonna be using Avata 2 footage in cinema, are you?

If you need 25fps for EU television just use 50 (or even 100) and cut unneeded frames. Done.

Luca Rubino Posted at 4-25 02:48
"Apart from latency, I see no reason why not add in Avata 24/25 fps option as described earlier."

In an FPV drone, latency is the most important thing. It is also dangerous to fly with high latency.

Marcin Golik Posted at 4-24 23:18
@fichek:
Don't be ignorant. Every DJI drone as I remember, and I'm DJI owner since Phantom 3, has 24/25 fps.
Apart from latency, I see no reason why not add in Avata 24/25 fps option as described earlier.

MarcinDzi Posted at 4-25 02:56
Here in Europe I record all materials at 25fps (sometimes in 50/100fps for slowmo). I also don't like in general look of 50/60fps movies. And whether I will use the recorded material in a full-length film or in social media - I want to have a choice. Is it so hard to understand?
Also from what you claim, I don't think you understand what bitrate is. When recording at 25fps you have twice as much data per frame (vs 50fps), not to mention of low-light situation and lowering shutter. And I know it probably wouldn't be safe to fly with 1/25 shutter ;) but not everyone needs to fly in acro either.

DJI Paladin Posted at 4-14 19:16
Hi there. We appreciate you explaining how it would help you out. While that feature isn’t currently in our development roadmap, we will forward this to our relevant team to look at its possibilities that include improvements and will be helpful for the majority of our customers. However, we wish to inform you that there is no guarantee this will be featured. Thank you for your understanding and support.

fichek Posted at 4-25 05:09
Yeah, it's really hard to understand why you would use 24/25/50 fps footage on social media when majority of users will be viewing it on 60hz screens. This practice needs to die. It makes no sense. You get a tiny bit more bitrate from social media platforms (you don't get double bitrate while recording btw as you implied in another post, at least not with Avata series, see screenshots below for 4K 4:3 10bit footage from Avata 2), but you lose fluidity of motion even if it was recorded at "correct" frame rate.

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fansd588b18f Posted at 4-25 05:53
Problem is in Europe and like us in Australia we need 50hz to stop the interior lights from flickering, especially LED's  which is also why there is a real need for 25p when flying indoor tours. Plus we get twice as much light on the sensor with that frame rate meaning we can use a lower ISO so less noise in the image. Fine shooting 30p if all the interior lights are tungsten but they never are and don't get me started on strip lights lol

fansd588b18f Posted at 4-25 05:45
25p would allow twice as much light to the sensor meaning a lower ISO could be used to record interior shots. The frame rate is fine for slow indoor flights and would basically mean the end of having to strap a GoPro to DJI products just to get a 25p frame rate. We already have 30p for the American market but no 25p for the European and Australian markets.Before we had to use Gopro's because it was a way better camera but now we have the same sensor as the action 4 its now on par with the Gopro apart from this one little addition
I'm hoping that this will become a reality in the next firmware update ??

DJI Paladin Posted at 4-26 19:30
Thank you for your response. Rest assured that we will continue to record such feedback to reach our designated team. Should you have other inquiries, feel free to contact us. Have a nice day.

MarcinDzi Posted at 4-24 13:41
So... the big problem is latency with goggles? If I get it right - with higher resolution and lower FPS we'll get higher latency. On Goggles 3 specs is: " 1080p/100fps video transmission quality: latency down to 24 ms
‌1080p/60fps video transmission quality: latency down to 40 ms"

fichek Posted at 4-26 23:11
Please if considering adding new frame rate options, let there be 90fps. It would be the highest possible frame rate on newer goggles (2/Integra/3) that's divisible by 30, so we could have the best compromise between lower latency and useable footage for majority of screens out there. That would be great for all devices these 3 pairs of goggles support including the original Avata, O3 Air Unit, original FPV Air Unit, DJI FPV and so on. Thanks.

fichek Posted at 4-24 15:33
What possible use case is there for 24fps? You're not gonna be using Avata 2 footage in cinema, are you?

If you need 25fps for EU television just use 50 (or even 100) and cut unneeded frames. Done.

fans4779f231 Posted at 5-28 20:15
I mean yeah, I’d actually like to experiment with using the Avata 2 at 24fps in my films. I like the look of 24fps and the idea that it’s some anachronistic relic is absurd. Can you imagine if every film and tv show you watched looked like Ang Lee’s Gemini Man or a soap opera? HFR experimenting in cinema is interesting but there’s something about the way we process 24 that is kind of magical.

If it’s a latency/safety issue, I wonder if there’s a way to send an HFR feed to the goggles but record in 24? I’m brand new to drone and FPV world so maybe that’s a silly and impossible idea, i don’t know.

fichek Posted at 5-28 23:46
Why not make silent black and white films? They're even more magical.

We've had the tech for decades and the only reason film industry kept 24fps even after going digital is they were too cheap to pay for storage of those extra few fps. Absolutely nothing magical about being served a minimum viable product.

ackno Posted at 5-29 07:55
frankly I used “magical” as shorthand for how 24 works cognitively— the minimum framerate where it looks continuous and lifelike due to persistence of vision, but without tipping into the odd-looking hyperreal that happens above. If you wave your hand in front of you at arms length, there is a blur, different from how it would look captured at 60 or 120 or even 30. The lag at which our brains process the eye's images. I don't find this to be a drawback or a limitation we should get beyond-- it just a different form of capture and perception. If it was purely economic and material, busted open by digital, then I don't think nearly every narrative television show and film would still shoot at 24. The cost increase to shoot at thirty would be negligible if anything. And companies keep pushing the resolution up and up, keep innovating for that, but not really for going beyond 24 in cinema. Maybe you think this is all mumbo jumbo justification but I think there’s actually more to it than stubborn tradition. I personally would not want all cinema to look like a soap opera or even a 30fps reality show, but whatever floats your boat.

Again, I’m actually all for people experimenting with hfr cinema like james cameron and ang lee, but I think it's clear they are using hfr as uncanny methods of mediation and distancing, precisely because it looks so strange.

fichek Posted at 5-29 11:14
Just gonna put this old article here as it perfectly sums up the facts which I am basing my argument on: http://digifonics.com/24-fps.html

Unfortunately it looks like we might see variable refresh rate screens and/or 120Hz+ screens reach market majority before film fanatics agree with basic facts

fichek Posted at 4-26 23:11
Please if considering adding new frame rate options, let there be 90fps. It would be the highest possible frame rate on newer goggles (2/Integra/3) that's divisible by 30, so we could have the best compromise between lower latency and useable footage for majority of screens out there. That would be great for all devices these 3 pairs of goggles support including the original Avata, O3 Air Unit, original FPV Air Unit, DJI FPV and so on. Thanks.

ackno Posted at 5-29 13:10
Yes, I read it the first time you posted it above. Unfortunately Larry's 30fps 1/50 cars still look like 30fps, because they are, but with a little more motion blur. The 'fact" is there's a difference in perception between that and 24, even with shutter speed compensation. I get that you don't care, but I don't see why you have to try and make others not care.

Since we've reached the stage of you just reposting things and insulting people, we might as well call it a day on this convo.

fichek Posted at 5-29 15:39
You were the one that restarted a discussion on a thread that's been inactive for over a month so I didn't think you actually read anything tbh, and it seems like after all the words that were exchanged, you have still failed to grasp the simple point I was trying to make. So yeah, I agree to disagree.

skyscope Posted at 5-29 16:20
24 fps don't make any sense in today's World, because it introduce stuttering on common Desktop and Mobile screens except on TVs with their build in scaler. It's obvious for everybody for years, but people will never understand this or even want to acknowledge it. Because some "experts" on YouTube are telling you, 24 fps is the cinematic holy grail. What, however, is a very good measure of these experts' expertise. Same story for 25 fps in PAL regions. And how much light is hitting the sensor is depending on shutter speed, not the frame rate - same for flicker. If you don't strictly stick to the 180° shutter rule, you can easy avoid the flicker of artificial light with 30 fps in PAL regions.

But you can write or say this a hundred times, and the 24 fps myth will still persist. Most people just don't bother to simply shoot two linear drone shots at 24 and 30 fps by themself and compare the clips on their phone or whatever. Honestly, you could just set up two projects in Motion, After Effects, Fusion or whatever and run a bar across the screen to see the difference and the 24 fps stutter. And then there are often the great tips for the solution to 24 fps stutter: "Yeah, of course you need ND filter." ;)

fichek Posted at 5-29 18:27
But, it's magical

ackno Posted at 5-30 07:37
at the end of the day 30 looks cringe in cinema. xoxo