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New motors 2312A 800KV for New Unit
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nabesarawak
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Accoring to DJI Malaysia Facebook said " New motors 2312A 800KV are a little bit more powerful than old 2312 960KV ones. New 2312A motors are more stable and balanced compare to the old ones. With new 2312A aircraft efficiency is increased by 7% which can push the flight time to 1 -2 minutes longer. "

Is it a lot diffrent ??


new & old motor

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sploodge
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In "real world" flight, people are not noticing that much difference.. But NEW is always better
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From the picture it appears you can't use the spanner to tighten/loosen the props on the new motor.
And an extra 1-2 mins on a 15 minute flight is quite good.
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and few minutes extra are always welcome for both of us. Does someone already changed the motors with the new one?
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clive Posted at 2015-9-28 15:53
From the picture it appears you can't use the spanner to tighten/loosen the props on the new motor.
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Yes, you are right. This photo indicate how to tighten/loose... Kind of plastic.
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todor Posted at 2015-9-28 16:27
and few minutes extra are always welcome for both of us. Does someone already changed the motors wit ...

According to facebook, newer units already use this motor... But i am not sure how new..
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liningiv
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Please don't tighten your props with either tool.
It will increase your chances of stripping the prop threads which has lead to at lease a couple of P3s falling from the sky.
I advise only using these tools to loosen a very tight prop.
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liningiv Posted at 2015-9-28 13:49
Please don't tighten your props with either tool.
It will increase your chances of stripping the pro ...

Great point, although already said many times needs repeating several more - Thanks. Hand tight is more than enough!
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Phuglie Posted at 2015-9-28 23:00
Great point, although already said many times needs repeating several more - Thanks. Hand tight is ...

Ahem men to that............. Hand Tighten Only Peeps !!!!
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My first P3A, which I received in May, of course had the old motors.  It was replaced under warranty due to being bricked by a firmware upgrade, and the replacement has the new motors.  I notice that the new motors are much cooler after a flight, when I remove the props, than the old ones.
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Phuglie Posted at 2015-9-28 09:00
Great point, although already said many times needs repeating several more - Thanks. Hand tight is ...

Last year, I once launched my Phantom 2 Vision full throttle up to 100', then backed off the left stick.  One prop came off and kept climbing.  The aircraft fell into some shrubbery and was undamaged, and the prop came fluttering down.  I had hand tightened the props.  Since that experience, I always used the wrench to tighten a little more with the P2V.  
I notice the props have a different feel when tightening them on the P3A.  There seems to be more friction on the motor threads before they bottom out.  I no longer use the wrench, with the P3A, but do make sure they are plenty snug by hand.  After doing the CSC to start the motors, the P3A will twice quickly rev the motors.  I wonder if this is to tighten the props.  The P2V didn't do this.
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I have carefully compared the two motors. The older motor is definitely stronger by design and probably more expensive to build. I prefer the older motor because the base is much stronger and it lends itself better for cleaning and lubricating which is important since i fly on the beach a lot and sand can be a problem. the new motor is difficult to clean because it is now enclosed at the bottom. Let me order a few of the older before they stop making them.                                 
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mikeon Posted at 2015-9-28 22:09
My first P3A, which I received in May, of course had the old motors.  It was replaced under warranty ...

How about flight time ?  1~2 minutes longer as DJI mentioned ?
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todor Posted at 2015-9-28 16:27
and few minutes extra are always welcome for both of us. Does someone already changed the motors wit ...

I have tried it and you can find my experience below.. I wonder if the 2312A motors is the same as the 2312E motor in their E305 propulsion set..

New motor on P3A

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kbjyin@gmail.co Posted at 2015-9-28 13:11
I have tried it and you can find my experience below.. I wonder if the 2312A motors is the same a ...

My replacement P3A with new motors flies every bit as well as the original unit.  I didn't  do any flight-time comparisons so can't answer the question of whether the new ones give a little more time.
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mikeon Posted at 2015-9-28 22:23
Last year, I once launched my Phantom 2 Vision full throttle up to 100', then backed off the left  ...

thats exactly what its for
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liningiv Posted at 2015-9-28 14:49
Please don't tighten your props with either tool.
It will increase your chances of stripping the pro ...

Why? My props have metal threads, but no need to use the tool anyway.
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draadkar Posted at 2015-9-28 17:43
I have carefully compared the two motors. The older motor is definitely stronger by design and proba ...

Are you really lubricating them? How?
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Swedrone Posted at 2015-10-8 11:19
Are you really lubricating them? How?

Yes i do. I remove the prop then the 4 allan screws holding the motor, one motor at a time, then i remove the motor from its mounting. the wires are just long enough to tilt the motor and expose the bottom bearing. then i clean the motor mounting and the motor itself. then i apply a product called Q20 lubrication. It is a spray that comes with a thin pipe nozzle that easily directs the lubrication into the bearings. at the same time it displaces moisture and prevents rust. I use the same to clean the motor winding by spraying it through. I do this at least twice a month. just cant see how the tiny bearings can keep on going at high speed forever without lubricating them.
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Please note that the new 2312A motor is not compatible with old central board (Spare Part No. 33)!
https://www.dji.com/info/release ... al-advanced-motors1
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Swedrone Posted at 2015-10-8 11:17
Why? My props have metal threads, but no need to use the tool anyway.

If you have metal threads, you must be using P2 props which are definitely NOT suitable for P3.
You will lose it.
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1 to 2 more minutes could make the difference in getting your bird back or not in a RTH situation.  I like it.  Also, I never use the metal wrench to tighten or loosen the props so I like the new plastic one better (if it works).
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liningiv Posted at 2015-10-8 18:31
If you have metal threads, you must be using P2 props which are definitely NOT suitable for P3.
Yo ...

The carbon reinforced 9450 DJI sell have metal threads...
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Swedrone Posted at 2015-10-10 21:16
The carbon reinforced 9450 DJI sell have metal threads...

I beg your pardon, not aware of that.
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draadkar Posted at 2015-9-28 17:43
I have carefully compared the two motors. The older motor is definitely stronger by design and proba ...

I appreciate your post, is much important clean the motors. What do you use for cleaning the electrical parts? I have buy the dry electrical contact spry , but I,m not sure if the spry create a problems
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draadkar Posted at 2015-9-28 17:43
I have carefully compared the two motors. The older motor is definitely stronger by design and proba ...

I appreciate your post, is much important clean the motors. What do you use for cleaning the electrical parts? I have buy the dry electrical contact spry , but I,m not sure if the spry create a problems
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I just spoke to a local DJI dealer, who checked a set, & tells me the Phantom 3 carbon fiber reinforced rotor blades do not have any metal bushing.
So I am rather curious how or why those rotor blades of yours, Swedrone, do have a metal thread liner.

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Swedrone Posted at 2015-10-10 21:16
The carbon reinforced 9450 DJI sell have metal threads...

they are the wrong ones, ALL the props for the P3 should be composite , i have the carbon reinforced with composite hubs.
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liningiv Posted at 2015-10-11 04:34
I beg your pardon, not aware of that.

Yep. Mine are plastic also...
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liningiv Posted at 2015-10-10 22:34
I beg your pardon, not aware of that.

Not a problem. I was surprised myself when hearing the sound of metal when putting them on. Under close examination and a strong light I could se a tiny metal thread in the very top of the hub.
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Mad_Angler1 Posted at 2015-10-11 02:30
they are the wrong ones, ALL the props for the P3 should be composite , i have the carbon reinforc ...

yeah the hub, but the thread insert is def metal
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new and IMPROVED... are we all know how that works... How many complained about the new firmware..........  My old and unimproved haven't given me any problems. From pictures I have seen I think the old style has bigger bearings... I don't know though
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At the bottom of this link https://www.dji.com/info/release ... al-advanced-motors1, they have photos for the 2 motors, I see the old one has the red wire on the top of the screw opening, so if you have a long screws (which what you get from 3rd parties props guards), you may cut that wire. I believe the new one has more secured wires...in terms of performance, I can't talk about that as they really didn't mention any details, but I always say new is always better.


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You cannot use the "New" motors without also replacing the main control board or the ESC's will all fail.

DJI posted a notice about this fact: http://www.dji.com/info/releases ... al-advanced-motors1

So unless you plan to replace the control board along with the motors... Don't order new motors or you will blow out your controller board.
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buxdronex Posted at 2015-10-10 14:27
I appreciate your post, is much important clean the motors. What do you use for cleaning the elect ...

There are no brushes or contacts inside these motors.  Contact "spray" will only damage your motors.  

Do NOT spray anything but compressed air into your motors to clean out dust.  The bearings are sealed.  There is nothing to clean out but dust.
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Hi,

My P3P is original motors version (2312) , Will Upgrade for motors new version 2312A?

Where i can purchase the DJI 4 x motors new version (2312A)?

Thanks.
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Gh0stxSinghx Posted at 2016-10-16 08:30
Hi,

My P3P is original motors version (2312) , Will Upgrade for motors new version 2312A?

You would have to go through a dealer, they're normally pretty easy to look up.
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